73: Star Wars: The Mandalorian & Grogu (2026)

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[00:02:02] Gute. Gute. Gute. that's his real name right that's what i always thought you know yeah baby yoda so we're back we're doing another star wars podcast if you don't know who the hell we are why we'd be doing this it's because the three of us have podcasted on every episode of the

[00:02:32] mandalorian we started do you can you guys just off the top of your head how many years ago did we start doing this seven as a test i'm gonna pretty close that's a guess or i'm gonna say six you're you're it's six and a half so split the difference perfect 2019 oh my gosh so i i was like man you know when we uh finished it was the end of season three that's how far the show got

[00:02:58] and at that point they had written a season four and so we thought it was going to be a season four it wasn't confirmed there may have even been some like rumors of a movie but i think we just figured we'd be back for season four and so they went this route and i'm just like oh man a little bit of ocd made me feel compelled that we need to do this story because we did all the other ones but also just a

[00:03:22] good excuse to podcast with you guys so we're back to talk about the mandalorian and as per tradition we will first start with a star wars question of the week that has nothing to do well maybe question of the year that has nothing to do with what we're going to be covering so this question is what is your favorite star wars movie or series since disney bought star wars from george lucas and why

[00:03:49] god why do you do this to us it was that a hard question it was because the first thing that pops into my mind are three things and then you have to go the process of like pros and cons and eliminating i mean the first thing that pops into my mind is one that's definitely not but i don't want this i didn't want it to be a downer i wanted to be a

[00:04:12] positive so we'll keep it positive right what do you what about you chris okay well here's the funny thing you earlier today jason you you texted us this question and i misread it okay so you wrote what is your favorite post disney star wars purchase movie or series and why and i read that as what

[00:04:36] is your favorite post disney star wars purchase comma movie comma series okay so i do i do have an answer for you but it's not exactly what you were going for now but that's interesting too speaking about um movies and tv series i think my answer would most likely be and probably should be

[00:05:03] the and or tv show right however i have not watched the and or tv show that is one important factor but i have heard so many good things about it and how brilliant it is so i feel really bad for having not watched it and i need to rectify that as soon as possible so i can't i can't choose that which is which is sad and then since i thought you were talking about purchases as well it probably honestly

[00:05:31] is my razor crest lego set which is on the shelf behind me and which is now relevant again and which is relevant again we may talk about that more later on i don't know um but because i was thinking about it and i went and i looked at the razor crest and then i went to the lego website and i was like you know this is the smaller razor crest released years ago they have a bigger one now and i'm like but it's eight hundred dollars and i'm like i cannot justify an eight hundred dollar lego set even though

[00:06:01] i would love to have it so when is it when is it getting there yeah right yeah it's on the way now no i go to the lego site today you're actually not far off and i look it up and sure enough lego.com officially has it on sale for 30 off so it's like 500 bucks instead of eight a steal it's still a lot of damn money but it's so tempting i don't know man like i did not pull the trigger but oh my god

[00:06:28] five hundred dollars is still a lot of money for lego i mean back when um so i have my luke skywalker lightsaber here that i got from just some random person that crafted it now you can get ones like this for a couple hundred dollars but this costs more than what that is on sale for just really okay just for some perspective all right um someday i want i think i may have asked you this before

[00:06:55] jason but i want you to tell me where to get the best like replica lightsabers is now because that's another thing i'd think about buying yeah man i i'm glad to have this i almost got the ray one when it was on sale at uh at disneyland because i think it looks cool but i just couldn't because i just hate that movie so much and it was only in that one movie i'm like i'm not buying a prop from that movie

[00:07:22] maybe she'll be using that in another movie and i'll regret not having gotten it anyway maybe maybe okay well i really hope that um the next time we podcast on star wars we'll see that up on your shelf yeah okay rich what were what were the three so the the movie was um uh rogue one and then the tv series were uh obi-wan and the mandalorian and like literally all three of those if it's possible

[00:07:51] popped into my head at the same time so i'm like crap which one so i'm gonna do what most people do and just go with the one that i think about the most and revisit the most sometimes i'll look up you know a specific scene on youtube or something just you know satisfy something i'm can i guess reminiscing yeah go ahead i think it's obi-wan no you're so close it's the mandalorian yeah

[00:08:17] oh nice yeah so could you answer chris yeah well i mean my i was going with my lego set but i will give you an answer i liked the obi-wan show a lot as well so uh more than i think many people did but rich you and i are on the same page i like that show too yeah it was awesome i i watched the fights between obi-wan and darth vader all the time but that scene in mandalorian where luke

[00:08:44] skywalker shows yeah takes the cake i think that's the best scene in star wars since yeah it was sold to disney i mean i literally like jumped off my couch and cheered ah i don't think i've ever done that since you know yeah it it was a lot it was so good so well done i i my answer is similar

[00:09:06] two years i did see and or it was fantastic it it you have to it's like takes a bit to get hooked in the first few episodes are it feels a bit like you're in a class a star wars class or something but once you get hooked in it's really really good and i loved it and i think you know if there's any

[00:09:30] such thing as objectivity around all this it's objectively the best but i think the mandalorian because it for me is just it's got such so many great moments cool badass moments cute and funny heartwarming it made me feel a lot and especially seasons one and two were focused and pure and fun

[00:09:55] and even season three i still think had a lot of great moments so you know that's just the closest to my heart i don't know if the fact that we podcasted on it that might have something to do with it too but i put it just a little higher than and or i and or impresses me more but mandalorian is my favorite yeah yeah this is so much classic star wars too yeah for sure it it's hard to um separate yourself from it when you podcast about a show like i've learned that about all the

[00:10:22] shows i've podcasted about so i get that but you're right mando is great um but i'm going to officially choose the book of boba fett instead because we all know that was the best one the two mandalorian episodes are pretty good just the right they are yeah okay well let's get into the movie the mandalorian and grogu first we'll give you some spoiler light

[00:10:47] thoughts just so we can tell you whether we'd recommend that you go and watch it if you're for some odd reason listening to us and you haven't seen it yet so um with that in mind what would you guys say well i went into this movie guys with pretty low expectations and not because i thought it was gonna be bad but like i did watch all the trailers and i didn't think the trailers were very good to

[00:11:17] be honest with you so i'm like oh this is this is just gonna be a big cgi monster wank fest and it's not gonna have any of the like more mandalorian type stuff that i i really liked it just seemed like it was gonna be one giant monster fight after another and i think i was not really looking forward to that and i got to admit it was a bit of that i mean there was definitely that's a lot of fighting

[00:11:46] yeah but but overall i didn't find that part of it as kind of annoying as i thought i would so i came out thinking that this is an okay movie it's it had enough good stuff for me to at least enjoy it i don't think it was fantastic but it was okay it was entertaining and i would say if you are a 10 12 13 year old kid you're gonna have a really good time watching this movie i did have a good

[00:12:15] time too but there were kids in my theater that just seemed like this was the greatest thing they'd ever seen so i can't i can recommend it for that reason and you know if you're a fan of the mandalorian and you're willing to have some fun i think i think you will in this movie but it didn't blow me away that's where i sit on it yeah to build on what chris just said if you like creatures

[00:12:42] and monsters and creatures and monsters fighting guys with flamethrowers and blasters this is the movie for you really honestly yeah i mean you can't go wrong if that's what you're looking for yeah that kind of stuff in my book is an automatic thumbs up i love that kind of stuff i thought about you during those fights oh yeah i bet your richard's loving this but then you know if it's not if that's not your thing then maybe i don't know maybe wait till it comes out on video but uh i definitely think

[00:13:11] if you're a star wars fan you should watch it i you're not going to get a whole lot of new stuff but just you know kind of rehashing the old stuff in different ways is fine fine by me i enjoyed it yeah and there was plenty of star wars stuff that felt star wars in this movie you know for better or worse like and like there were a lot of scenes where i thought well we've seen that before and this is kind of exactly the same as when they were in a place like this in another movie you know what i

[00:13:39] mean but i'm i'm a sucker for not nostalgia which is why i did like a lot of the uh ray movies jason um but so like that works on me i know that um this didn't feel like nostalgia mining quite as much though it just felt like let's you know let's do some similar things or do some things that people will really recognize as star wars tropes in a way and i i'm i'm okay with that generally and let's

[00:14:08] like mando look like a badass absolutely yeah yeah i mean i feel like the mandalorian is has its own feel to a degree and and it ha you know it's in the world of star wars and there are star wars tropes but it had three seasons to be its own thing and you know it's just cool bounty hunter with his little it's like um lone wolf and cub his little side cute sidekick

[00:14:38] that's not anything in any other star wars thing that's the mandalorian and i think um it did feel like they were going over some of the same ground that we've seen in the series already not in other star wars in the mandalorian but i i wonder if they did that because they thought new people would be coming in and they wanted to like uh grogu messing with the buttons you know we've seen him do that exact thing but i think john favreau is probably like well we got

[00:15:07] to put that one in there in case there's somebody who hasn't seen the series that that will catch him with that kind of a thing and then and then at the end when mando has him sit on his lap and actually starts to teach him to fly it'll feel like a development in their in their relationship which it was for us like he'd never done that before yeah you know so you had to have that other part first that we've already seen before but um anyway i i just think uh like i watching it for the first half or so i was digging it but wasn't sure i loved it by the end i loved it and on second watch i watched

[00:15:36] it again today i loved the whole thing and i would recommend it but like you said chris i would have your expectations set right because i think if you like the mandalorian series you are going to like this i think still you have to have your expectations set because even people who saw the mandalorian i i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them go into a star wars movie expecting a big saga where the fate of the galaxy is at stake right and that is not this this is a

[00:16:05] mandalorian story he's a bounty hunter with a cute little sidekick that go on missions together and it was just another i thought excellent version of that and so i love that you know i'm ready for that like i i don't need it to be some kind of a different mandalorian story where he fights the emperor or something you know yeah um and i also thought it was beautiful and like if anyone doesn't appreciate the beauty of this movie i feel like you're spoiled like we are spoiled we get so much

[00:16:35] of this stuff all the time but if you just like it was so gorgeous and well done and and i think worth seeing on the big screen rather than just wait waiting for it to come to disney plus but it'll be great on disney plus too i agree yeah there's so many poster shots from this movie yeah it is a beautiful movie there's a lot of great locations and incredible um cinematography and stuff like that

[00:16:59] and and i do think it is a good as you said jason like a good mandalorian story of him doing his his thing right yeah i also think though they they really put the mandalorian lore to the backseat a lot right it was really just about this particular mission yeah and that's probably because it was a movie and they didn't want to bog down in that too much for people that were new and stuff like that

[00:17:29] but i do think that's really important to him and the character and i think maybe a little bit more that would have been okay for people like us that that were really into the show and and expect some of that you know yeah i mean when the mandalorian started it felt like an old throwback to like an old western like gunsmoke or something where you get a story of the week and yeah and it was

[00:17:52] just about the coolness of it and i think over time in any series you're going to have backstory build up and you're going to learn the lore but i think another thing happened with the mandalorian which is the higher ups said oh look this is successful let's exploit it by throwing in a bunch of other shit especially in season three that we can then expand out into other series and then we can and then they were like we can make a movie out of it and i really think the mandalorian is best

[00:18:19] i've said this about john feverell a lot of times but he knows what's cool and how to do cool moments and emotional moments and when it's just focused on that and doesn't have to bring in so much of this other stuff for me that's when it's best so i i hear what you're saying and i agree that some of that is cool but i also just think that for me this movie kind of brought it back to what i loved about the mandalorian in the first place which is just a simple story with this character being really

[00:18:44] cool and this other character being really adorable yeah the the opening i can appreciate that totally the opening of this movie was was kick ass i was like whoa they're setting the bar pretty high when uh the man mando took out three ad ads what the hell that's like jedi level fighting man i think that was stop motion too they like did it old school style oh yeah don't get me started on special effects

[00:19:11] that was awesome i think so i think i read that i didn't double check but well i mean that empire strikes back style yeah and setting the bar so high i was kind of like i was like wow i hope they can follow this up and and i feel that they did yeah i think oh yeah the rest of it was was just as well with the action and the uh uh you know and then a lot of it was too about uh what was his name

[00:19:36] radda the rod of the hut yeah a lot of it was about the huts which i didn't know a whole lot about so i found that pretty interesting too yeah i knew there were a lot of huts in this movie um i didn't know the relationship uh to other huts we've seen in the past right i did not know that that was all part of it that leads me i was planning on starting with some sort of catch-up slash lore slash

[00:20:02] backstory to get everybody caught up to where some things were just briefly before you know we talk about the real details of the movie so if you haven't seen the movie and you're wondering if you should go see it we think you probably should and that you should stop listening to us and come back and listen to us after definitely come back pause pause for break so lore and backstory the

[00:20:29] status of mando and grogu when the movie starts mando aka din jarren and grogo are living on navarro after helping save the town at the end of season three i felt like a big presence missing was uh what's the guy's name darn it carl weathers oh right he passed away since they he was like the mayor of the planet or something um and grogu had chosen mando over continuing his jedi training with

[00:20:57] luke skywalker and mando officially adopted him as a foundling under the name din grogu so he was sort of on a path to becoming a mandalorian himself and then since then that they both have been taking missions for the new republic hunting down imperial remnants across the galaxy for people who don't i mean everyone probably knows but this is about five years after return of the jedi when the empire has

[00:21:20] fallen but hasn't completely disappeared so that's what they're doing um the first guy that mando has to deal with in the opening sequence that we're going to talk about soon is commander barrow he's a the mob boss style imperial warlord here he's like extracting tribute from the township leaders for quote protection uh i don't know if you guys remembered him in the series did you no i don't it was brief

[00:21:48] the the the bad guy in the first sequence oh that mando was there to get no that guy no i didn't he he was the he in um season three when moff gideon was having a meeting with other ex-imperial warlords and they were all holograms he was one of those oh and that's that's the shadow council their group of imperial leaders secretly working to rebuild the empire yeah and they were discussing whether or not

[00:22:17] thrall was going to come back right that's right thron yeah uh the pilot guy that keeps like extracting mando out of situations zeb aurelios he's one of the main characters from the show star wars rebels which is a pretty good show and he they had a ship called ghost and he was was he the pilot he served on the ship with hara kanan ezra sabine and chopper and he lost most of his people to the

[00:22:45] empire so he became a rebel fighter and later joined the new republic it's fun to see him more in live action we'd seen him only once before in live action in the mandalorian but just briefly because he's expensive uh road of the hut that's job of the hut's son i think i said it wrong i think it's rada he first appeared as a baby in the awful 2008 clone wars movie that's a little editorial

[00:23:10] where he was kidnapped as a part of a separatist plot to turn the huts against the republic and and uh anakin and ahsoka rescued him and returned him to java and ahsoka spent the whole movie calling him stinky and they show an image of him as a young or baby hut in this too yeah because i think that was the last time we saw him he looked like that okay yeah all right uh mando gets another razor crest

[00:23:37] ship which i was glad to see too yeah totally that's awesome love ships because so that ship got blown up by moff gideon i think in season two and then he got the little naboo starfighter which is cool and it's like a little hot rod but it's not really um practical for a bounty hunter who needs to bring people in yeah i think it was in the background i never actually saw it but i read that that it was

[00:24:03] he still has it so they're like a two-car family now it was yeah it was at his place yeah it was there sitting in the barro it was there i saw i seen it he can just cool and take it when he needs just to run out for quick groceries or something and then take the razor crest yeah there you go right yeah it's his middle-aged you know it's his like little hot rod and like the suv for you know yeah it just depends on on the task at hand right midlife crisis ship and him like modifying it to remove

[00:24:30] safety restrictors so it can go faster it reminds me of han solo always modifying the millennium falcon and i think george lucas modifying cars in modesto to raise his friends it all comes goes back to that i feel like oh that's a good point yeah i don't paradise did that to my e-bike by the way so that was on point nice uh two more the huts who hired mando the twins we i totally had forgotten this but we met them in the book of boba fett where they briefly challenged boba fett for control of

[00:24:58] Jabba's old criminal empire before deciding it wasn't worth the fight and leaving tatooine right on okay and the little mechanics that help grogu save mando are anzelans they're a species of tiny but highly skilled droid smiths and engineers and of course we saw one of them babu frick in the rise of skywalker where he helped unlock the sith message hidden in c3po's memory i like the

[00:25:25] anzelans in the rise of skywalker or hell it's just babu frick but that was like one of the good things that i liked in that movie the only thing you liked about that one the only thing and i john favreau has said had jj abrams come to set to help make sure they were doing them right i forgot but they those and zelans were actually also in season three of the mandalorian where they rebuilt ig11 into ig12 and one of them said to kept saying to grogu no squeezy

[00:25:54] that's right yeah i was trying to hug him yeah so there's just a couple i mean you could go on and on and on with all this stuff but those are a few things that i thought were important to remind myself of to appreciate the movie a little bit more yeah yeah call these easter eggs or would you call them just lower canon because there was a lot yeah i mean one thing that's cool about star wars that john favreau really takes advantage of and i think it helps to have dave filoni by his

[00:26:19] side is if he's building a story and he needs a certain kind of something or other instead he can either create something new like i think this fucking amazing dragon uh what was it called dragon snake yeah but or he can pull something from something else yeah you know which he does a lot and i think that's cool to reuse things if they fit whatever the story is yeah a lot of stuff to draw

[00:26:47] from totally so with all that out of the way where should we start chris you want to go first yeah well i mean i've got notes about the the opening scene and more about the razor crest and stuff like that but what i really liked about what i really liked about the opening scene is um kind of what you mentioned rich i mean we're dropped right into this awesome scene of mando being amazing and um you know

[00:27:17] he he breaks up that meeting he takes out the adats uh um and then of course right at the end he's he shoots down the guy trying to escape just before the cockpit explodes and jet packs out of there like there's there's blaster shots out of the dark which always looks cool and he uses the flamethrower kind of just as he's coming through the door i mean it's so cool yeah and it was like

[00:27:41] the mandalorian in his prime he was just amazing doing what he's doing and i always love watching that kind of thing right you want to see your heroes like he does it with style amazing and he does it with style that's right and i think like he's even using all of his tools and his weapons at his disposal really well right like that's just he's he's got his groove on and um i think that was generally true for most of the films so i just love this opening scene and i was watching that and then it goes into

[00:28:10] kind of like the opening credits type montage and i enjoyed that and i'm like oh man this movie's gonna be amazing if the whole thing is as good as this i'm gonna really really like this um so you know it was cool the only bit about that opening scene that i kind of didn't like is when he got on that um ride along like atst sort of smaller version where he rides it sort of like a mechanical tauntaun

[00:28:36] in a way is what i was thinking but then that's cool i kind of like the idea of that but then that way he just rides it and jumps it down a mountain i'm like it would never work like that so and that's a that's a nitpick but that's a suspension of disbelief but yeah but but overall i thought the movie just got off with a bang and started so good so i was really pumped at that point

[00:28:59] going into it i like that it really four new viewers shown a lot of things like okay that guy looks like boba fett who is a bounty hunter that we always thought was cool but he's kind of a bad guy wait no he's this one's a good guy because he's hunting this imperial who's like clearly terrorizing these people and he's a freaking badass and he has this little cute baby yoda looking

[00:29:24] character at his side so even if you haven't seen the series you know right away mando is a good guy and a badass and he has a cute sidekick totally cares about that's like all you need to know yeah that's all you need to know but and they do a good job too even with the imperials like in the and stuff right the one guy is like you know he gives them an order or something go get the go get them and they're just like um we're pilots you know it's like sure uh all we do is push these levers and make this thing go i don't know how to do anything else remember your

[00:29:54] training they showed a lot of things in this movie that were from star wars but a little different so we see the adats and snowy weather but it's a mountainside and instead of uh the rebels having a base there it's kind of like these imperial remnants that have the base so it's like the tables have turned in there like on their back foot you know yeah and also the snow troopers the snow troopers usually have that um it's i don't know if it's cloth or whatever hanging in

[00:30:22] front like yeah yeah sort of but most of them weren't wearing it at first in this and then i didn't realize those were snow troopers without that piece and then some of them put it on i'm like oh that's cool that's a new thing i like that you know casual fridays casual fridays for storm troopers snow troopers yeah that opening sequence was freaking awesome so first of all adats are like

[00:30:47] one of my all-time favorite vehicles that has ever absolutely star wars in fact like yourself chris with the with the razor crest i got you guys can't see it but i got a full-size lego adat up here on my shelf love that thing love the sequence in uh i forget which movie it is where luke skywalker takes out an adat too but this one here where mando taking out three it's like uh-huh freaking awesome

[00:31:12] right off the bat your your lego adat is full-size oh yeah that's impressive he can get right in the cockpit and drive it around here at the top of the second story yeah and it kind of goes out into the street a little bit over to your neighbors yeah right i meant full-size lego adat there oh i'm sorry you moved into this house and neighbors like oh my god what's that

[00:31:36] yeah just using it as a den the inside of it sorry no no that was awesome there's all kind that's one of my things about this movie too is that revisiting all the different vehicles i'm a kind of a vehicle nut and there's so many vehicles in here from old and new and and cartoons and and novels i mean they just put them all in here and not only did they just put them all in here where you could identify

[00:32:02] them but they put them against backgrounds which are like what we said earlier about like uh you know poster shots you know just you got these x-wings going up against the the setting sun in the background you got oh one of my favorite things too in this movie which they showed it two or three times was when you're when they were flying out of the atmosphere of a planet into space that transition of going from atmosphere into space through the windshield or whatever you want to call a

[00:32:29] cockpit you know i love that kind of shit that stuff is i was just like yeah give me more of that yeah it's so good can i talk about the razor crest for a second uh speaking of ships yeah i am i am so happy to have it back it is i was super bummed when it got destroyed and because it had become one of my favorite star wars ships and there are a lot of cool star wars ships you know as you were saying so

[00:32:57] you know i thought the n1 that he got after was was fun but i've always preferred the razor crest um and i was wondering like i wonder if there was some fan backlash or anything to to blowing it up and so they had they decided they had to find a way to yeah i was wondering about to bring it back right because they they sort of made a big deal out of it but not really and i i liked that actually i thought it was

[00:33:24] great how sigourney weaver shows up and she introduces it she gives it a really quick backstory of it being recovered from like the star wars equivalent of a car collector almost she said you know he had all these ain't all these outdated vehicles and ships and they recovered it and had been restored and it was perfect right and then mando just gets in it starts flying it and it's a ship again and they sort of didn't worry about it after that so yeah um except i mean i loved how it was like

[00:33:52] annoying that it was stock well and he just was like modifying it on the fly and then as soon as he got home he like hired some mechanics like this is will not do yeah that's pretty realistic that's what you do when you get a new car that's what you're right i guess but no you're right that's no i like that that was awesome for sure um but again like similar to how he was so competent at what he was doing in the opening scene right i also have realized that i love watching star wars

[00:34:17] pilots do cool stuff with their ships and that happens pretty often too i mean the first dogfight that he's in in this thing didn't let me down what does he he tells zeb to like pull some panel out that would release some other thing and give him more power and like he they just do it and then he pulls off this incredible move to spin around and take people out um ray did something similar when she first

[00:34:42] flew the millennium falcon and i love that so i was just again so happy to have it back and i'm i'm i hope it doesn't get destroyed again i would really suck that's han solo's entire career right there is fixing his ship in battle yeah that's right and being surprised when something doesn't work like the hyperdrive yeah it's interesting that's an interesting point chris i you know for myself and

[00:35:08] i'm sure a lot of other vehicle people out there nothing can replace the original though you're just like it's got a place in your heart forever you know you can get an exact copy of something you had before but sure that original vehicle you're forever trying to trying to recapture that with whatever vehicle you purchased afterwards you know yeah i'm i must i i must need a spaceship of some kind because i'm not a car guy in real life i i knows i work with some guys that are car guys

[00:35:37] and stuff i've never really for me a car has always been like four wheels get me from point a to point b i don't care about it any other way but spaceships all on board totally yeah all right should we move on to the next part of the plot yeah sure so mission to rescue rod of the hut mando goes to the moon of shikara to rescue rada who he thinks is being held by a criminal syndicate in exchange the hut

[00:36:07] twins are going to tell him where another one of his targets is imperial commander coin he sees rada as this buff fighter he meets him in his cell he says day one awonga which is what bib fortuna i think said to visitors of java's palace it sounded so familiar when he said that right day one awonga it means i think it means well i i read two different things hello or what do you want

[00:36:33] and then rada said are you here to kill me which then mando said i'm here to rescue you which we all know what that's a callback from aren't you a little short for a mandalorian yeah right that would have been a funny line for him to say next yeah that's jeremy allen white i wonder if most people know that from the bear playing the voice of rada and uh he's i mean we get a lot of plot here

[00:36:59] he says he's fighting to pay off the debt to lord janu who runs the crime syndicate on all the moods of shikari by fighting and then he'll be a free agent and he'll get rich fighting and that being java's son has been hard job of the hut because everyone hates him but now he's respected as a fighter so he doesn't want to be rescued and then mando goes to lord janu to buy his freedom and this part i i had to suspend

[00:37:22] my disbelief a little bit because janu says oh uh his final fight is going to be rigged but why don't you fight for me i'm like why would he want to fight for me when you just said you were about ready to screw over one of your other fighters yeah oh you want me to die too sure yeah sign me up so then mando tells rada all this rada doesn't believe him it doesn't want to go back to the twin huts saying that his they're his aunt and uncle and they want him dead because he's heir to the throne

[00:37:51] and i was sort of wondering if that was true why would they send mando after rada like to bring him back so they can kill him but then why not send an assassin to just kill him you know i guess it's just plot reasons unless i missed something well the the hot twins were were double crossing right they were working for both sides feeding money to the remnants of the imperials yeah playing both sides

[00:38:20] yeah i think basically rada was right they just wanted him out of the picture because he's the heir right so they made up a story to the um what do you call it new republic to get them to go get him for them yeah well didn't rada just leave of his own volition i mean he wasn't kidnapped wait was he kidnapped or did he just leave and end up on this planet like planet hulk yeah he yeah he just

[00:38:46] went off on his own and got himself in this situation where he's fighting you know and he he he thinks it's a good situation anyway so he calls he's like wants mando to get out of there because mando's just disrupting his plan to become a rich fighter and calls for security mando i think get gassed and winds up in an arena to fight rada with grogu up in a cage i kind of just wanted to quickly

[00:39:14] get to that point so we could talk about this fight awesome so when you guys saw the the creatures come out did you did you see what was happening there not until after but i know what you're talking about yeah i totally recognize it i turned to my wife and i'm like hey you know what this is from she's giving me a blank stare all right whatever yeah in case you don't know rich is talking

[00:39:39] about so first mando has to fight rada but he yields and says rada should be free and jenny goes okay he's free to be killed and then sent and then yeah i liked because all the laser fence went around and then they sent all the monsters from the chest like game dajaric that we saw was it chewbacca and c3po yep playing on the millennium falcon it was r2d2 r2 was it r2d2 yeah oh yeah

[00:40:05] that's right c3po was like what happens if you win he's like i don't know rip your arms off he's like oh i suggest you win let the wookie win yeah yeah uh so and even the floorboard uh floor was shaped like that chessboard circular with the little you know yes that was cool and yeah i was this is where i was thinking about you but my favorite part of this fight was when rada threw one of them

[00:40:31] at the fence and it went down and then there's this pregnant moment where the monsters are looking around like oh look there's a lot of food out there in the audience right that moment you're like oh this is gonna get good yeah and then it's just terror and you hear screams off screen i love that and then they break out onto the streets and wreak havoc

[00:40:58] and then there's a classic yeah this is another this is a star wars trope when they're racing through the streets outside yeah but we've never seen it quite this way before i thought it was pretty cool yeah they had a couple of good chase scenes there was another one too with the speeders that i thought was pretty cool yeah uh-huh yeah when baby yoda was shooting at them

[00:41:21] mando was trying to i think that's the wrong button i love that uh so then um wait that was here that was i think right here a little bit after this they get to that scene where mando's racing back to the ship the troopers are in the speeder following them and shooting at them i think that was here and um well that was that was when they went and got uh uh the guy coin yeah that yeah that's here

[00:41:50] they they're chasing right is it they speed through the city too right though yeah uh yeah they pick them up coin and then they run away yeah yeah and then they chase after they have to go to coin yeah and so that just reminded me of there's great grogu cuteness throughout the movie um that scene the scene where he keeps pressing the buttons which we've seen before but it's still cute

[00:42:18] i i thought it was cute that when he was um when they were watching the fight in the arena he was eating something like popcorn and uh i liked how all the criminals always comment on him like they either want to eat him or it's like how much for the shoulder candy yeah and you do sort of in the back of your mind wonder if it's very good parenting for mando to be bringing him into these situations i know

[00:42:49] bringing a baby to this have to remember he's 50 years old he can take it yeah right and then after that like the speeder chase immediately there's an awesome air chase i think you were that was probably where where you were talking yeah about chris and he tells him to put his seat belt on and then um he says uh when he takes coin back to the rebel air base he tells uh colonel ward who's

[00:43:16] played by scorny weaver kind of a small role for her uh that coin is ready to sing like he has him and that's a reference to the goofy singing alien in java's palace that was added in the special edition oh that's what that's from yeah yeah it sounded familiar i'm like what is that i didn't make the connection that's why i i thought sigourney weaver was was great in the movie um it was kind of a

[00:43:41] small role but she was one of my favorite parts honestly like i thought she she she probably did this movie just like i i i'm like why not do it for fun right like be in a star wars get to be a pilot you know an x-wing pilot like why not and i think she did a great job and i can sort of feel that coming through in her performance a little bit but um there's a lot of things in star wars movie you have

[00:44:06] to say that you no one ever actually says in real life so you have to make it sound good she did okay i think she did okay yeah yeah um going back to the fight in the ring though i think i was i was a little surprised about how um i thought easy a time mando had beating rhoda the hut in the fight like he it didn't seem like it took him much like he got that sword to his neck and then yielded

[00:44:36] um and looking at that hut i'm like well he's gonna be he's gonna be a tough opponent right he's a big he's about ripped 10 times as much yeah yeah so and when he like smashed it like squished him you know like just laid flat like right back on just landed flat on him yeah on his back and i'm like is his armor the kind of armor that goes fully around his torso because if it's not then he would

[00:45:03] just be flat we have to assume yeah it's like a cocoon yeah exactly that's the hut move though i mean don't they have arms but otherwise they're just giant slugs so they're gonna pancake you if they can but uh um you know i i thought the huts i think they're difficult characters to utilize well to be honest because of what they are right like what can they do they can either like sit around

[00:45:28] on a throne and act menacing and i think this movie tried its best to give the huts more mobility and ability to fight and things like that and it worked okay for me but i still look at those guys and go like they're just big slugs like slugs i found it surprisingly satisfying to see three fat slugs fighting and wrestling each other i don't know i thought it was great and just seeing the two twins

[00:45:58] up on the throne where you know it evokes the scene of jabba but it's two of them they're kind of uncomfortably close together i thought it worked really well i thought it was visually really cool the visual of them on the throne for sure because like you said we're sort of it harkens back to jabba the hut and we've seen that before and that's that's what huts are good at you know just acting menacing and you're right two of them together they're it's uncomfortably cozy but uh i don't

[00:46:25] know the fight at the end between the three of them it was like rolling around hilariously sort of just flopping around on the ground head butting each other flailing their arms i don't know that didn't work as well for me that i liked it too how you fight when you're a hut yeah i i loved it and i liked it because it was one of those star wars things where there's three different things going on

[00:46:47] at the same time there was the big fat slug fight and then there was um din jarin fighting that cool ass bounty hunter that we haven't talked about yet yeah embo and then there was uh grogu facing off against this wolf creature all all at the same time that that was really cool and the ships you know with the impending doom of blowing everything up coming in yeah yeah they were on their way at

[00:47:13] that point still but i really liked the hand-to-hand fight between mando and embo mando and embo sort of similar but uh um that part that was my favorite part and i kind of wanted to see more of that than the triple hut orgy fight going on at the same time and and the the the tweet is up yeah i guess triple hut orgy fight that's a star wars movie i gotta wrap that we're not gonna see

[00:47:38] um and i'm sure there must be hut porn somewhere oh my god i'm sure there is rich is googling it right now oh my god um grogu and the dog uh that was fine too but he was just trying to sort of subdue the dog with the force a little bit but yeah calm him down yeah exactly so wait we're skipping ahead though yeah sorry sorry no i'm sorry it's right

[00:48:07] well i was gonna put my two cents in about the huts please so these huts the much more active and agile which i found entertaining i'm sure as chris did and rada rada was amusing rada rada he was amusing i think i tried to get into his character but every time he spoke i just giggled uh he did he looked like a giant buffed worm but he had this yeah odd sound it's like these fan all

[00:48:33] in all of star wars you have this the hundreds of fantastic creatures and beasts you know with like gruff talk and other worldly accents and then but here's rada with an absolute normal workaday human voice it was kind of weird oh my god i found it so weird too i didn't like that he spoke english in a normal like english sounding voice like why can't they did it because they don't want kids to have to read subtitles but i would have so preferred it to be huttese and yeah just subtitle it you know um

[00:49:03] it sounds it also comes from the clone wars cartoon series where yeah they had huts speaking in english and also in like new jersey accents or something like that i can't remember zero the hut i forget how you talked but it was very much not yeah like hey what's going on what's the matter with you you can't park there no it wasn't like that i forget what it was but it wasn't too far from that well listeners are like no jason that's not what it was but it was english and it was in some

[00:49:30] weird accent that we're not used to with the huts sure i'd never seen a hut speak in like regular normal english before and i could not get used to it yeah that was my thing too but other than that though i i thought it was pretty cool to do a little bit of hut lore you know in this movie yeah yeah no i loved it and um i really really loved nah hutta but wait we're not there yet so so ward is mad

[00:49:57] that uh that's sigorny weaver's character that mando crossed the huts at first but but he got this commander to her uh and she doesn't quite believe that they the huts were going to sell them out yet right and but what's interesting to me there is she's like you know they were going to pay you and he's like that's all right and i'm like mando never seems that concerned about not getting paid it felt like that happened in the series a lot too i'm like what does he have a trust fund what's

[00:50:27] going on i think he's wealthy yeah yeah then um i like one other thing i did like about rata is that they kept showing him getting along with grogu to endear us to him and that worked for me although i don't know where he pulled those blue cookies out from all right blue cookies before i thought i thought you were talking about the little blue fishy worm things he was feeding them when they first met but yeah the cookies were there too later on yeah everything's blue and those are that was from

[00:50:56] uh their house from uh his house oh was it okay because they're the same things that he had in the series at one point when he was in the little classroom yeah yeah yeah stealing him with the force from his classmate it was funny when he tried to steal the snacks off of uh the colonel's desk yeah force pull the bowl yeah when they first met so anyway that i mean this movie to me kind of felt

[00:51:24] like two episodes of the mandalorian because here he he sends rata off seemingly safe he's gotten his man the imperial guy and then he tells uh ward i'm gonna take a break for a while he's at his little homestead it felt like the end of an episode and then the next thing we see is in the middle of the night that bounty hunter shows up we don't even know it's a bounty hunter or how this is related so

[00:51:49] it just felt like the start of episode two and if it was two episodes episode two was my favorite by far like i really liked the first half of this movie but the second half i it just made me love the movie oh that's great yeah so anyway but i'll do you want to drive for a little while rich what what do you feel called to talk about we don't have to keep going in plot order yeah you know uh

[00:52:13] i i liked it because it took the best parts of a lot of the old classic star wars and kind of stitched them together to with with the characters that we love but if you're you know i don't know how to like say it the laser caged battle royale death match in the arena super awesome some of those what are they called dejaric creatures they all look super familiar my first thought was that those were

[00:52:42] the creatures from the from the chess board between chewbacca and r2 on the millennium falcon classic star wars creature monster fights always get an automatic thumbs up for me love the old harry housing special effects of the golden era back in the 50s and 60s big fan of all that stuff you know i even like the old king kong versus godzilla stuff it's pretty great yeah special effects impressive

[00:53:07] we're good enough uh there was some things uh there was a couple of scenes though where it kind of blurred the special effects a little bit and i was like eh i like this the special effects in the original series seems to be the mandalorian series seem to be actually a little bit better than some of this movie in my opinion but um to me the the stuff that stood out the most is

[00:53:33] the huts looked cg and i'm like yeah there's a cg thing right there you know it's pretty hard to do any otherwise whatever i don't i'm it's not gonna kill the movie for me but it takes me out of it a little bit yeah and then there was this there was a lot of scenes in this movie too where it presented like miniatures like you'd have these big wide screen shots of uh you know a planet or a settlement or

[00:53:59] a base and it looked like i don't know how to explain it it's like they look like little miniatures like you're looking down on a diorama or something you know and i mean you spend a lot of time in your train set i wonder if that yeah well i have to build another one right now but yeah absolutely and it's exactly what it looked like i love that style i love that look there was a lot of that in this movie yeah i thought it was pretty cool yeah i thought a lot of it looked um like well i

[00:54:28] you know in my mind i know it's all cg but i thought a lot of it looked like it i don't think i really didn't like the um the big uh water snake thing that he has to fight dragon what's it called something dragon dragon snake dragon snake dragon snake yeah i just thought it was too much it was like too over the top giant and silly in my opinion so i didn't like that thing

[00:54:57] um i was okay with the monsters in the in the battle royale um but that i you know the big snake i couldn't do the huts actually i didn't they didn't bother me i thought they looked okay as far as cg effects went um but what i did really like about this movie is it felt to me like there were actually some really good like real locations like a lot of the mandalorian tv show is shot on that thing

[00:55:27] called the volume right where it's a big room and they can they can like project the footage or whatever onto the walls and the actors are in there and they're actually like reacting to it or something like that i don't know exactly like a cylinder i think you know like in the round but i've read that i don't know uh that this movie had some of that but not it had more real locations big sets yeah whatever the scene called and you'd probably so it did feel bigger you'd expect

[00:55:52] that in a full budget you know feature film right but um the city shikari or uh the moon shikari it was basically a city that was one of my favorite locations in this film i thought it's a new location so it had it was invented or added to star wars canon for for this movie but it quickly became one of my

[00:56:15] favorites and i thought it more than like almost any other star wars place it felt like it was like lived in there were people around it wasn't just digitally created um and i could see some sort of real world earth-like city features in there but with this like sci-fi fantasy sheen over top on top of

[00:56:41] it or really like a star wars effect put to it right to me it felt like new york city at night but with a layer of star wars on it and i really like that it had those like raised train tracks that you see and dark side alleys and stuff and unlike felt more more real than course yeah somehow i was just gonna say course to course not has never looked real to me and it's always bothered me a little

[00:57:05] bit mosaisley is a better city but it's so old west desert like it's yeah it's not like a modern city right and then lucas kind of ruined it was star wars chicago or something yeah or new york like you said lucas kind of ruined mosaisley i thought with all the special editions and everything added i thought honestly it was better simpler um but this place i thought was just amazing looking and it just felt real and i could imagine i don't know if i'd want to be there but i could imagine myself in a

[00:57:34] city there like that yeah and so um and he's almost like batman there you know we've made a uh parallel with mando and batman before but here i i this is the first time i'm having this thought but even more because he like grabs a little um credo like rhodian out of its yeah crib and saves it or something yeah oh so now so yeah that made me think we have baby yoda we saw baby hut and then we had a baby

[00:57:58] rhodian too they're really they're really going hard on the baby versions of uh star wars aliens but anyways i thought shikari was amazing and i love i'd love to see a whole movie take place there and uh so speaking of effects i think it was one that was clearly lots of digital effects but it felt like a real place to me yeah that's how i felt about navarro when they went back to navarro it was

[00:58:24] so much more brighter and vibrant than it was in the series because you know they've been uh liberated at this point right so the stormtroopers were gone everybody was gone a lot more color and then just seeing where uh mando kicks back when he's off duty you know i thought that was pretty cool i have a question for you guys though i did notice though in this city that all of the like

[00:58:52] speeders and vehicles were kind of in that retro 50s futuristic style that we've seen in star wars and of course you guys i'm sure remember the absolutely terrible like vespa biker gang from bong of boba fett that i'm pretty sure everyone hated that was in this movie a little bit but i don't think it was nearly as bad because it was it was more gritty and more dirty even though it still had

[00:59:17] that style so yeah i didn't i didn't notice that but maybe now that you mentioned it i might i mean i also think about in was it attack of the clones when obi-wan was it was sort of like a noir there for a little while and he visited this 50s diner that was as bad as the vespas in my opinion because it's so or or in the pod races when you have those announcers being like okay everybody

[00:59:43] it's like taking too much literally right out of our world and it just pulls you right out of it you know but i did not feel that with this town but like i said maybe if i watch it again i might no i'm glad you didn't i mean it it came to my mind when i saw the design of those vehicles but i'm like this is this is fine this works like it sort of references our real world but it's still star warsy and

[01:00:09] it yeah it doesn't call attention to itself right like those friggin book of boba fett guys did i think i prefer like the millennium falcon they use all the language as if it's a corvette but it doesn't look anything like a corvette you know you know it's a hot rod he talks about modifying it he says it's the fastest thing ever but it looks like a hunk of junk or you know it's like a spaceship yeah i never understood that what do they mean a hunk of junk i thought it looked awesome

[01:00:39] that's just princess leia being snarky yeah right yeah well i want to talk about now hudda because uh first off when they're taking him there i liked how this wolf creature was just playing with this anzelen little babu frick guy not killing it just licking it and gnawing it

[01:01:02] nosing it around um but then you see the bounty hunter guy come down and it's this is uh embo he he was in clone wars too so it's an existing character he had that wolf creature as his pet i think but um he has a very cool look his big wide brimmed headpiece his broad shoulders and just the way he

[01:01:30] rarely says anything and his stance and all that and it kind of reminds me of of uh the way we felt about boba fett when we first met him like yeah he's a bad guy but he's cool and he he doesn't talk or anything and i kind of like that this bounty hunter made it out alive at the end and uh you know like he's the kind of character you'd like to see in future stories they should make a mini series out of it no i'm just kidding

[01:01:58] but i like that i like this uh adversary for mando a lot in this movie yeah kind of a darker version of him so they get to now hutta and um man i i don't think this is this is the home world of the huts i don't think it's been seen in any um live action things before only animation and games and it's always called like a swamp planet but um it was just so beautiful

[01:02:26] the way the light came through the trees and just the big normal trees and the music like that's another thing that i loved about this movie ludwig gorenson came back to compose it and you hear the typical mandalorian themed no no no no no but there's little added things in there to develop it a little bit but then we get like this wind instruments in this uh swamp planet uh in the peaceful moments

[01:02:55] peace and quiet moments that just really really added to the emotion of it for me and then uh we didn't talk about it before but when he gets to the moon of shikara they have this like pulsing techno almost like blade runner-esque yeah kind of stuff yeah so cool i love that they're playing with different kinds of things and not just doing john williams as great as he is just try some different things i loved it i thought the score was amazing as well um obviously

[01:03:21] the mandalorian theme is great but that synthy music or whatever it was in shikari was a was so surprising to me because it's it's right it's not star warsy at all but i thought it was perfect for the scene actually and it really really felt like it's a bold move like it could have been bad to do something that distinct but i thought it worked i thought it worked and i've heard a lot of compliments for it too i think other people are liking it that's good and the the little

[01:03:50] and zellens uh i they kind of remind me of gremlins you know they kind of talk under their breath you hear if you listen close you can hear what they're saying like when they get to so they baby yoda and the and zellens go to now hudda to try to save mando and he's like he's inside we've got to go find him and bring him help you know stuff like that or big pipe huh big pipe big pipe um so then when

[01:04:16] he's taken before the hut twins and we see rada bound to this electric torture device and then they threaten to do the same to grogu after mando mando dies i kind of like that like oh you assholes they both live for hundreds of years so why not torture them for hundreds of years and then they take his helmet off and so i thought about you know that's a big part of the mando story but

[01:04:46] before we've only seen him take his helmet off by choice it was once when he was saying goodbye to grogu when luke skywalker was there and then he also took it off in front of ig11 but that didn't count and then he took it off um when they had that one mission where they had to infiltrate the imperial facility right and um he had to act like one of them and so he had to atone for that by

[01:05:13] bathing in the living waters beneath the ancient mines of mandalore but i think this is the first time we've seen an enemy take it off and it just seemed like very much a violation you know it felt violation of privacy totally yeah like oh how dare you yeah exactly shame on you and then and so then we find out like he has to go bathe in the waters below the mines to atone when he chooses to but i

[01:05:38] guess if an enemy does it the only way to not be an outcast is to kill them all kill them all which is badass because he did and then there's always a trap door with a hut so he gets ejected down into the into this cave and first he fights what i found out were amani gladiators

[01:06:01] those like hooded creatures that poke their heads up from under the water but then this uh dragon snake comes up and i had the complete opposite reaction of you chris for one thing in the movie um i loved seeing mando be a badass but as you guys were saying like with his fight with rada and other times he just wipes the floor with everybody no problem yeah never seems like he's in any trouble then this

[01:06:27] fucking big giant creature comes up and i just loved how it had like pale slimy skin and it looked so unique with its big skull looking head with its big maw gaping maw and um right next to little tiny mando with this thing hovering over it with the light coming down was just such a beautiful shot it looked like something out of a fantasy story or something and i'm like oh this is the i mean i know he's not

[01:06:54] going to die but this is the first time i feel afraid for him in this movie so i i loved it that was that moment was when i really the my appreciation for the movie kicked up a notch just as it was going down a couple notches for chris interesting yeah i can see your point but yeah i'm not trying to convince you i'm just telling you no i hear you it's it's just a little something about it is just too much for me like he the the other um what did you call them the guys he fought first and down there

[01:07:23] uh amani gladiators yeah i thought that was cool and and i like the setting of it where like you're sort of half underwater and so they can hide under there and stuff it was a little bit um like i thought that was sort of scary and unsettling and stuff like that and i'm like okay he's he's good he's he's been in this uh troubling scene and he's come out the other side and it's all fine and then there's

[01:07:47] this mega snake that nobody just suddenly appears could just suddenly appears out of nowhere and nobody could realistically survive that even but you know what though he did it was huge he didn't survive it i mean yeah he escaped yeah the end zealots and grogu used a bomb to blow a hole out and that's the only way he got away and then it was really satisfying to me to see the huts being fed to him at the end and eaten just like they wanted to eat baby yoda okay so i like that i suppose

[01:08:15] yeah i did get some like a snake i did get some satisfaction out of the twins getting eaten by their their their snake their giant snake so i'll i'll give you that it was worth it maybe to see them go down there's a delicacy for the snake too what do you think of it rich i you know what the whole idea of fighting creatures the the first ones you mentioned uh money half underwater and half above water that

[01:08:42] kind of shit freaks the crap out of me i'm like oh god it's the same reason i'm skitter sharks you know what i mean yeah it was a bit like the trash compactor scene in star wars yeah it sure was a thing going around absolutely yeah that stuff that gave me more anxiety than the snake once the dragon snake showed up i was kind of like oh crap how's man gonna defeat this and then he's like kind of just like you know yeah this look of terror yeah he's like i'm fucked what am i gonna do

[01:09:11] he kept looking around and finally uh his helmet was thrown down to him by the huts and he's right grabbed up grabbed his helmet he seemed to like gain some sort of confidence or something and then that's when he kind of went into action and escaped but it's like wow man yeah how do you do something like that i i don't know it's stuff like that i'm not thinking a whole lot i'm just watching and then so whatever the outcome is yeah i mean whatever the outcome is i'm putting my full

[01:09:37] trust and and and into the director and the you know the showrunners and everybody and the writers and i'm just like in it when it in this particular case what happened i was satisfied with so i was like oh thank god he's fighting another gay jesus christ that was intense yeah i mean when i'm watching it i'm well i love movies that make me feel something if it's a scary movie or a romance or anything and this whole movie i was feeling like oh yeah oh that's cool yeah yeah and then that scene came along

[01:10:07] i was like oh my god you know the first time i really really felt something so then um mando tells grogu to go back in their little ship with the anzol by the way i loved how on the way there they're in the ship and grogu's the biggest one in the ship was the opposite yeah that was funny i enjoyed that was pretty cool for once he's the biggest guy in the ship yeah yeah

[01:10:33] so then it's like a sad moment because you think grogu's leaving and then mando has to fight more guys off running through the forest which was just gorgeous and uh then you find out that i guess the dragon snake bit him right so he was poisoned yeah that's what happened and he falls over in the forest to die it seems like and then you just see this uh part of the movie was my favorite because it started to slow down and you hear the sounds of the forest around and bugs are crawling over him

[01:11:02] and it's like oh fuck man what's that's gross what's gonna happen and then grogu pops up and eats one yeah it's such a triumphant moment like he gets to do his thing you know bugs don't scare me you think the bugs are gonna like play a role in healing them or something like that and then of course it has nothing to do with it it's just so it was great grogu can reappear and then even from this point on they really took their time like favreau really took his time

[01:11:31] letting the emotion build and i say he he knows how to great make great moments and just you really start to appreciate the beautifulness of the setting the gnarled trees and the sounds and the pools of dark water and then um um grogu by his side trying to nurse him back to health and he made a

[01:11:56] little mud hut for him which is maybe like the mud hut yoda made for himself on dagobah maybe that's something they do i'd say exactly the same thing yeah yeah but it wasn't big enough so there was another cute little moment just needs a little more practice yeah yeah right what did you guys think about this helper that he found out there a little out of nowhere in my opinion like he's just this

[01:12:21] weird guy living fisherman they they call them uh living in the middle of the forest uh so i guess it was in grogu needed help i guess and he needed food and stuff like that and this is the way they found to do it but i did think it was a little out of nowhere i actually thought all of this stuff while he was nursing him back to health took a little too long for me like i i appreciated the

[01:12:47] fact that the movie slowed down for a minute and we got to spend some time just with grogu without mando being there to mentor him and or do anything really because he was unconscious which is fine grogu had to go find food but yeah this this guy in the forest reminded me of a gungan a little bit um which is what jar jar binks was yeah um yeah i can see that uh and then and then that guy was the key

[01:13:16] to um to providing the antidote for the poison that mando had and i thought that was a little weak like it would why couldn't they have had grogu somehow figure that out or or write it so that he didn't need this other character that came out of nowhere to like show him how to heal him i think it would have done more for grogu's character than anything so yeah i didn't know lucky finding this nice guy

[01:13:43] who would protect him from the bounty hunter and right give him the antidote to the poison yeah like i think there might have been a better way to do that i mean i didn't really dislike it but it wasn't perfect but but i mean i i i felt like okay deus ex machina but still i still did get that feeling like if grogu hadn't stayed back mando would have died he would have absolutely and as simple as that is and it almost feels like pushing a little emotion button or

[01:14:11] something it gets me like i love that they take care of each other you know oh yeah it's nice feeling it's you're absolutely right like they are a they're a pair they're a partnership and and they uh the old take care of the young and the young take care of the old that's the way and i get that and it's really good it's really good but yeah i think it could have been depicted a little better grogu's older by the way but it still works exactly it still works uh it was like

[01:14:41] the puppet works too like it's he goes up and feeds him the poison under the i mean the poison the cure under the helmet but he doesn't know if it's gonna work and i like that they had the guy say you know this probably won't help and you're just gonna have to come to terms with that we all yeah and we're like yeah whatever guy but anyways um he gives him the cure but you see grogu's ears pointed down like a cat when it's sad or something and it's just so effective yeah yeah he crawls in

[01:15:10] under his arm and lies with him right that's nice come on okay not how can that not warm your heart rich loves the battles and i'm like all into this kind of stuff i mean it all works together you need it all right it does though it all does work together i actually enjoyed this part too my question is on you said you saw it twice right jay yeah on second watch did it still hold up or were you like

[01:15:36] oh yeah this might be a little too long uh you know it was conspicuously long and but i enjoyed it i i thought it was um i thought man i bet you some people are gonna think this is too long but i think it's a bold move um maybe it could have been a little shorter but i i would yeah i wouldn't want it to be much shorter well upon the first watch i think it was perfect because you're watching this

[01:16:01] no i was still uh caught up in the whole thing yeah actually i was too my i'm like what's gonna happen next my experience with things like that is i often like it more the second time i watch it because i sort of know what to expect and i yeah i don't have to worry about certain things and i can just sort of take it for what it is so i only saw the movie this afternoon so i it's like for the just the one time and so i liked it more the second time did you yeah i i

[01:16:30] wonder if i would too yeah i'm find out maybe this particular section too right yeah yeah yeah i mean this for me like that big dragon snake and then this whole thing with the beautiful planet and the and the you know just heartwarming series of events and a little bit harrowing because even though you know man i was not gonna die you still can't have a worry for him just kicked the movie up to another level

[01:16:58] for me and so yeah and then um the fights that happened at the end that we kind of already talked about were just as good if not better than everything else so i was left really satisfied by the end it's funny how we how we uh perceive these things right it's like during the the dragon snake battle that we were like oh my god is amanda gonna die but then when amanda was actually dying

[01:17:23] i was like yeah he's not gonna die nah he'll be fine yeah he's gonna be fine you know grogu's gonna take care of him he's gonna do his thing he's gonna grow up he's gonna mature yeah that'd be a bold move if grogu gives him the cure and then he just dies and grogu buries him or kick everyone's ass right his feet are still sticking out right yeah he was taught well he just like takes everything down with a force squashes everybody he goes up into this grizzled angry

[01:17:52] like rambo type or something yeah most powerful sith in the universe all right uh but then i mean i might as well i'm really close to the end so we already talked about the fights with the huts and everything and then um the x-wing squadron comes in and these are uh characters we've all seen before all played by star wars tv directors and creatives there's trapper wolf who's dave filoni who's now taking over as head of lucas

[01:18:21] film by the way from kathleen kennedy um carson tiva as paul sun hyung lee no other way around rc t was the character job dodger played by rick famu yiwa sash ketter played by deborah chow and lieutenant reed played by lee isaac chung blow the shit up and then the man man don't grow

[01:18:43] and rota jump for it just in time yeah i thought we were gonna see maybe grogu force force levitate them out rather than just jump and land in the water um it was pretty high hey yeah pretty high but i mean obviously mando is a jetpack so no problem he could just jetpack out of there but he jumps out flies away yeah but like they all end up in the water so i guess he decided not to use it

[01:19:12] he grabs grogu sorry sorry you gotta you have to plummet to the uh to the water i and but i thought maybe we'd see grogu lower them down or at least lower the hut down uh slowly but no they just go for it which is a little more dramatic yeah it's just a jump yeah jason and i used to cliff jump yeah it reminds me of that how high from how high but i know it was like 60 feet right yeah shit that's

[01:19:41] yeah it was scary yeah which looks a lot higher when you're up there oh my god yeah which was the the bravest but what our friend tim would sit there and talk himself out of it sometimes like the longer you sit on the edge the least likely you're actually gonna do it oh god the fine line between brave and stupid though i go up a ladder and get to the top and be like oh my god this is so much higher from here than it looks from the ground i don't know if i could jump off a cliff that high geez

[01:20:08] well that was 30 years ago yeah i don't climb ladders no more yeah good point so what is there anything we missed that you really wanted to mention either one of you guys um not really i mean i i i wanted to talk about the score which we we already did so

[01:20:29] like it's really good there um yeah no i think that mostly covers it for me i'm wondering where we we go from here a little bit if we have yeah yeah what's more because last time as i said season four had been written and we thought that was next and around that time they announced that dave filoni was gonna

[01:20:53] write and direct a movie that would tie together plot lines from star wars tv series the mandalorian ahsoka book of boba fett maybe skeleton crew and um but that then it feels like star wars cachet has gone down since then series maybe haven't been doing as well and um so it's uncertain and kathleen kennedy stepped down as head of lucasfilm dave filoni took her place and it's sort of suggested

[01:21:22] that the success of this movie would help them figure out what to do next and whether to go forward with more mandalorian movies that dave filoni movie or what well it's not success it's not that successful it has a 62 percent from critics on rotten tomato maybe nobody cares about that it has an 87 audience score which is the highest of any disney era star wars film tied with one nice and this time i

[01:21:47] often agree with critics but not this time i think they're wrong um it had the lowest three-day opening weekend of any post disney star wars purchased star wars movie at 81.6 million with solo being second at 84.4 um so i'm i'm hoping that people are just kind of waiting to see it on disney plus since they're already paying for that but um you know the vibe the feeling around this has been surprisingly negative

[01:22:16] i was like what happened i thought people liked baby yoda but maybe it was because like you said the trailers didn't excite people i don't know i don't know i i also read that it had a pretty strong drop off from first weekend to second weekend after release because we're a bit late seeing it right um now movies drop off all the time and some a lot and but apparently this one was pretty big it's but the word of mouth is good though so i just think people are you know strapped for

[01:22:45] cash right now well yeah it could be a bad time and you're right they could be just saying we're already paying for disney plus it'll be on there in a few months we'll just watch it then i don't know um uh so uh it's it's made money though like it's not a financial failure but i guess it has to make a certain x number of times the budget to be a true success but yeah you know i don't know and in the

[01:23:12] star wars universe right now what do we have coming up there's a star fighter movie coming right next year with ryan gosling right and that'll be uh past the rise of scott walker in the timeline so the farthest we've seen in the timeline i think right but do you think that will be will have any uh play into what you were just saying about how it'll sort of start incorporating things from tv shows and tying it all together a little bit i wonder i don't know i don't think so but because it's

[01:23:42] after rise of skywalker and i just from what i've read about it it's more about the future than right the whole mandover stuff which is in between return of the jedi and force awakens they can create their own new thing yeah and then there's i mean they've announced so many movies that haven't come to fruition but that one's definitely happening and uh there was one that i thought sounded interesting

[01:24:05] james mangold directing a story about uh the origins of the force back thousands of years before but i don't know where that is but the one that puzzles me the most is um oh who's that guy damn it i'm gonna have to look this up the there's a guy who's writing supposedly doing a trilogy of movies simon kinberg

[01:24:30] simon kinberg is the guy who wrote x-men the last stand which adapted the x-men story dark phoenix one of the best x-men stories one of the best comic book stories in history and the movie sucked and then they let him write and direct x-men another x-men movie that also adapted that same story like to get a second shot at it and that sucked too and i'm just like what the hell are you guys doing i mean

[01:24:58] i guess he did um he had a lot to do with the rebels cartoon or something but i'm very skeptical not on the same page with that dude no not at all what and there was a time too when i think catherine bigelow was attached to direct a star wars movie rogue squadron rogue squadron right right right and they made that they made a teaser for that and i remember talking about on this podcast i think

[01:25:27] how much i love that and how excited i was for that and then it just disappeared it got canceled well then wonder woman 1985 came out that she wrote and directed and it was the worst thing ever the worst yeah i think that might have killed well the um game of thrones guys were supposed to do a trilogy taika waititi was supposed to do one uh ryan johnson was supposed to do something boy there

[01:25:53] has been so much more canceled star wars than there has been like create made star wars wow so we'll see but you know as far as the the mandalorian goes um i was thinking about how i was liking the series i thought season three probably was trying too much to be a springboard for other things and they should have brought the focus back in but i still like the series

[01:26:19] and and when they announced the movie i was excited to to find you know see a mandalorian movie but all said and done it reminds me of when star trek the next generation ended because they wanted to do movies with that i was like excited when it happened but then it quickly became apparent that it felt like the end of an era because you get used to spending regular time with all these characters

[01:26:44] and then you just see them once every few years for a couple hours and it's like kind of like graduating high school and then you just see people at reunions or something and and in hindsight i really i i do wish that they had just kept the mandalorian as this sort of old west story of the week series like right and i don't know if there's any chance it could come back as a series but

[01:27:07] i just really hope that um the executives don't go oh well the movie didn't do as well as we wanted it to so let's just not do anything with the mandalorian again yeah because i know i know john favreau wants to do more or what's a possibility for the disney machine yeah but when you see something every once in a while instead of every day don't you appreciate it more executives always take the wrong lessons from things too

[01:27:34] right they'll look at this movie and go this was a huge failure so we're not doing it ever again where they should be like you know what we had a good thing going yes we tried something it didn't work so let's go back to that good thing yeah that would be i think it's a mistake to try to capitalize on something that's working by changing it into something else yeah right you know go figure so anyway i i i hope that this isn't the end for the mandalorian i i you know these days

[01:28:04] they don't just take box office into account and hopefully you know they'll look at streaming maybe they'll get more people signing back up to disney plus or something when it comes back on there this movie strange error with the streaming this movie could be a will be i'm sure will be a huge hit on disney plus i don't know if they tell people if they report on viewership or on anything on that but i bet you plenty of people will watch it on there yeah i'll watch it again on there for

[01:28:30] sure yeah you know it's totally regional too because i don't know if i mentioned this but my wife is a manager of a movie theater uh regal stadium 14 and she said that the mandalorian movie didn't do that well in her theater yeah but across the board in other areas of the country it did some some places it did pretty well like in the east coast and actually in the north but then you know the movies that are doing well right now and outperforming the mandalorian and grogu are all the horror movies

[01:28:59] like scary movie and all those other ones that are out right now yeah so uh back rooms and which i might be going to see tonight obsession i saw that it was really good i've heard it's amazing um it's hard to watch but it's good okay yeah i asked her i was like why do you think that is why are people choosing these campy horror movies over star wars and she's like i don't know people are stupid

[01:29:24] yeah i think it's just a bit of uh star wars fatigue could be yeah yeah because i i the articles are framing it like oh yeah these um youtubers that the back rooms comes from youtube as does obsession i guess and they're like these youtubers are you know they they're like hungry to make good films unlike the mandalorian but i just i don't agree with that i think john favreau is it's a

[01:29:54] beautiful movie with some i mean it's not like super edgy of course it's a family movie but it's got some heart in it you know i think it's great yeah yeah i don't know i i i mean john favreau seems like he loves what he does right yeah and and you can feel that for sure but it it i don't know maybe the audience is just looking for something that they haven't seen before and like back rooms

[01:30:20] fills that i haven't seen it but i've heard uh obsession also haven't seen but uh everything i've heard is these are these are small indie indie movies that are just speaking to people right now i don't know they're fresher fresher apparently they appeal to like younger generations like we're old guys right so i don't know yeah that's true too but who knows but i'm interested i'm interested in

[01:30:46] these movies yeah well i am too yeah yeah anyways yeah i'm going to take nico to see back rooms and we saw this other movie exit eight that's there's movies there's this thing about liminal spaces right now which are like hallways or room just side rooms but they're creepy and other dimensional somehow anyway getting way off track do we want to do we have any notes before look at that one right there

[01:31:11] yeah creepy liminal space behind you i'm not leaving this room after this some shadows moving around back there oh gosh uh any notes i don't have any more notes no i'm done okay i just had a couple quick ones i was glad to see brendan wayne and latif crowder's name in the opening credits they are the two actors that typically inhabit the armor not pedro pascal i think he's usually just in there when he

[01:31:39] has to take his helmet off and otherwise it's voiceover and i read that typically brendan wayne is usually the acting mandalorian and latif crowder is the action stuntman mandalorian cool they did a great job they sure did they amanda yeah cool jobs man man still he moves incredible yeah he reminds me of uh captain america yeah it's it's all about the the movement and the style

[01:32:03] utilizing all his yeah all his tools and just like kicking ass absolutely i uh another note i think it's called the mandalorian grogu because it's the stories inspired by this classic 1970s japanese manga and film series the lone wolf and cub which i've never read but always heard about and um it's about a disgraced samurai who wanders feudal japan as a assassin hired assassin while traveling with his young

[01:32:30] little young son going place to place taking on dangerous jobs encountering colorful characters developing a father-child bond you know that sounds similar thing yep uh what else the fry cook was scorsese we didn't mention that but that's martin scorsese doing the voice of the fry cook oh my god the little the little guy in the in the booth the forearm guy yeah he didn't want to give

[01:32:54] any information no i found his four arms a little weirdly unsettling like they just the way they moved all independently it's yeah cool but i thought it was it distracted me like it was weird i was trying to follow what all his arms were doing and all the all the time make a better fry cook with four arms though that's true yeah it also requires four brains by the way wait wait two arms requires two brains how many brains do you have well yeah it's exponential clearly

[01:33:24] at least two you gotta bifurcate four times one brain per arm that's true like an octopus right okay all right that is our show thanks so much for listening to everybody it was fun to podcast with

[01:33:51] you guys again and the three of us should be back in i think it's july when we'll be podcasting on the upcoming new evil dead movie evil dead burn oh my god burn oh my god looking for a hard on for that one yeah it looks like action horror action horror yeah oh my god yeah crazy um only thing better would be action horror comedy but oh you guys gotta watch this show widow's bay it's i've seen it horror comedy on apple it's pretty funny

[01:34:20] i love it it's great it's funny and fun and like horror island baby uh but it's not as good as evil dead no all right in the meantime chris i what are you up to over on the talking dead right now oh same as we've been doing uh re-watching the original show kind of slowly um but uh we're next episode we'll be starting season five and it's been fun so um check that out if

[01:34:49] you can talking dead podcast.com that's my favorite episode season five episode one there you go wow i'm looking forward to doing it yeah well yeah that's talking dead podcast.com as chris said all right that is our show thanks for listening all right great we should eat is there any of that pizza left i can bring you some warm or i can bring you some cold

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