Bonus: Evil Dead Burn (2026)

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[00:01:22] Hey everybody, here's another bonus episode for you guys. I'm sneaking in before Dead City Season 3 starts up next week. We're covering the new installment, Evil Dead installments. It's one of my favorite horror series. And some of you guys might know that on Evil Dead Cast, me and Rich and Chris covered Ash vs. Evil Dead, the TV show, and every Evil Dead movie.

[00:01:49] And so this is an episode of that podcast reposted here for you guys. Enjoy! Hmm? Ah! Hmm. Podcast to go! We found something. The Necronomicon. The Book of the Dead. You know they don't want me there. You're part of the family.

[00:02:18] Despite my warnings, they read from the book Unleashing Demons. Demons. Demons. God help us. Listen up you screwheads. You're listening to the Evil Dead Cast. Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason. And I'm Richard.

[00:02:48] And I'm Chris. And this is the Evil Dead Cast, episode 39. And this episode we're covering the new brutal as fuck Evil Dead movie. Evil Dead Burn. I wrote that in there, but would you agree? Yes. Yeah. I thought so. This movie was not funny. No, there was a couple funny moments if you're a sadistic psychopath. Yeah, right. Like you guys.

[00:03:19] Well, before we get started, I mean this is our first episode in what, three years I think? We're still alive. So. Still here. Yeah. Yeah. I, if, so I'm going to be putting this out on our Evil Dead Cast podcast, but also Walking Dead Cast. So if you guys don't know, we are all fans of Evil Dead going back to, I mean Evil Dead is a franchise that's been around since 1981, I think. Yeah.

[00:03:47] And we've been fans of it for decades. And we did the Evil Dead podcast starting back in like 2016 or something, like 10 years ago. Something like that. Yeah. So long. When there was a TV series, Ash versus Evil Dead. So we've covered every Evil Dead movie, every single episode of Ash versus Evil Dead, the TV series. And that's why we came back to do this because we have to do it or else demons will come and

[00:04:17] get us. And we don't want the demons to come. I'd rather continue podcasting than the demons coming. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a hard choice. No. So all that said, let's get into it. So I thought usually with movies, I like to start by saying, you know, with little, little to no spoilers, generally what we thought and whether we'd recommend that people stop listening and go watch and come back or not. So given that, what do you say guys?

[00:04:47] Well, I say go watch it. I think you should go watch it, but I'm going to make a recommendation. Only if you like family movies. It's family movies. Actually, you know, it's definitely a family movie, but I wish I had gone back and rewatched Evil Dead rise. And maybe even the 2013 Fede Alvarez Evil Dead before going in to watch this one.

[00:05:15] So I'm going to say that maybe do that, but definitely go and see this, which is the least Evil Dead, Evil Dead movie of them all in my opinion. Right. But I still recommend going to see it. Yeah. It's hard. It's like hardcore horror. So if you like that, you'll probably love this movie. Almost to the point of like, how did they describe it? In a review I read said it was torture porn.

[00:05:42] Oh, I don't know if I'd go that far to be honest, because I'm not a torture porn fan. There are movies out there that I just won't see because of that label. I don't think this qualifies, not entirely anyways. No. Yeah. It's weird because I don't like, I saw Saw and that was enough. I didn't want to see any more. And I've heard about other, where it's just all about, yeah, torturing somebody and watching it. And when I've seen things close to that, I don't like it either.

[00:06:11] And when I saw the 2013 Evil Dead movie, I thought, oh man, this is fucking brutal. Do I really want an Evil Dead movie without Ash to temper it with his humor? And I actually think this one, it was, you know, I haven't seen the 2013 one in a while. The last two have been pretty gross, but this one probably took the cake.

[00:06:38] But I felt like there was an undercurrent of, I could almost feel the crew giggling as they were making all this fucked up shit. Like, yeah, it didn't, it didn't feel quite as bleak to me. I think one reason why is because the, well, I don't want to get too much into it because I said this was not going to be too spoilery, but hopefully it's not too spoilery to say a lot of the people in it aren't that likable.

[00:07:08] So maybe you don't mind so much when they get killed. Whereas in Evil Dead Rise, the last one, it was tragic because some, some of those characters were seemed pretty cool and innocent. And you're like, oh my God, this is dark, you know? This family, not so much. Yeah, exactly. So anyway, I, I thought it was great. I thought, uh, it was a really good way actually to use the deadites.

[00:07:35] You put them in the middle of a family with a bunch of toxic dynamics and unspoken resentments and things like that and let them sort of rub salt in all the wounds as they do. You know, I think that was the idea. Right. And that's, that's, that's like, that's what deadites do. They try to figure out how they can needle you the most, whether it's teasing and mocking

[00:08:02] you for something that you're particularly sensitive about or tapping into some desire you have and pretending to be the solution to that. So I just thought this movie really played on that smartly. And that's one reason why another reason, probably why I think it's not torture porn because I thought it was really smart. It felt like the characters were real people and it felt like the filmmakers understood how people act and think and different dynamics and things like that. So, um, I don't know.

[00:08:32] I thought it was, um, well acted tense. The filmmaking was really good. I thought the cinematography and, and the pacing and everything was expertly done. And so, yeah, I thought it was really great. I agree with you, Jason. There's a lot to like about this movie and it, it took me a minute coming out of it. I saw it yesterday evening. It took me a minute to, to sort of realize that because like I said, a minute ago, it's

[00:09:01] sort of the, I thought it was kind of the least evil daddy movie of, of all of them. And I, I was driving home from the movie theater thinking I could, I would believe someone if they told me that this was just like an independent horror movie that some guy came to a studio and was pitching. And then the studio said, you know what? Let's add a Necronomicon, some flying cameras and a picture of Bruce Campbell and we'll call it evil dead. Mm-hmm . And, and I was like, I w I wonder if that happened.

[00:09:27] I don't think it did, but I sort of had that feeling coming out, but I think I quickly realized that if you are on board and into what this movie actually is and what it's doing, there's a ton to like here. And I actually did like it in the end. I've been thinking about it all day today as I've been walking around. So yeah. So much to intake. I did the same exact thing, except it took me the better part of the entire day to kind of gather my thoughts on what I thought about it. And Jason is correct in that everything makes sense.

[00:09:57] And it was pretty smartly done. Like nothing that happens in the movie doesn't make any sense. And I kind of, I kind of justified, I kind of came to believe the reason it's so dark and so, uh, horrendous is because these deadites ended up, uh, taking control and possessing people that were already abusive, you know? Yeah. So it made it that much worse. And I was just like, dang, this, it was brutally keep. Took away the subtext. Yeah.

[00:10:26] If someone was passive aggressive, it just became aggressive. Yeah. Well, and in the original movies too, the deadites seem to torture people just cause it was fun. But this year, I mean, it was like, they had like an agenda and they were really, really wanted to make these people swarm. Suffer. I mean, yeah. And before we get into more spoilery details, um, like I said, I liked it.

[00:10:51] If you don't want to see, um, really disturbing shit that's cringy sometimes and graphic, even if it is smartly done and well acted and well filmed, if you just aren't into that, then don't go see it. No, don't go see this movie. Please. You have to, I mean, you have to be into this kind of thing. I, that's the caveat, but if you are. You have to be totally into Ash versus evil dead and be like, no, this is too, this is a step too far.

[00:11:21] I would say. Way different. There's no campy horror in this one. Yeah. Way different than Ash versus evil dead. But I disagree that it wasn't funny. I think it wasn't like nearly as funny as a lot of other evil dead things, but the grandma was funny and, uh, the, there was even like a little bit like, um, okay, we're going to start getting into more spoilery stuff now. So if you decided you might want to go see it and you don't want spoilers, you'd probably stop listening and come back later.

[00:11:49] But, um, like when they get to the funeral place and the woman's like, I'm really sorry about this construction noise, but they said they'd stop at 12. So, uh, don't worry about it. And then you cut to her saying the beginning of the funeral convocation or whatever it's called. And all of a sudden you hear, wah, you know, and it's just like, you could tell that there was a little bit of a sense of humor going on underneath. I felt like.

[00:12:16] I thought some of the comedy was supposed to be derived mostly from the grandma actually in the movie and her comments about stealing money and so on. I didn't like that part of it, to be honest. I thought that was, I'm not precious about these things too much, but I thought that was just a sort of trying to find comedy in her dementia a little bit. Yeah. Like I, that doesn't, I mean, you know, make fun of things, find comedy and whatever, but I just didn't think it was that funny.

[00:12:44] And I thought this movie lacked the comedy for the most part. Yeah. I could see that. You know, I, I did, I did like the sound, the noise joke. I was like, I'm not a joke in the funeral though. That's a, that's a really good point. But other than that, it, it didn't have it for me. But with the grandma, I mean, I found myself laughing at a couple, like when they show during the funeral, uh, when they start playing French music that played at the husband and wife's

[00:13:12] wedding earlier, the husband's dead now. And, um, you, they go to each person's face and they're all upset and you can, it was really, I mean, each character is so well drawn because they all have their motivations and their own fears and annoyances and resentments and everything. And so you see the mother, she's just crying because she lost her, the bright little boy of her life, you know? Right. But then you see the wife and she's upset because you know that this guy's been abusive

[00:13:40] and she's always about ready to walk out on him and you see the other people. And then it goes to the grandma and she's just like totally digging the music. Like, Oh my God, this is so wonderful because she's not rooted in this moment. And I, I felt, I laughed at that, but I also had this feeling like, ah, that's kind of mean, right? I bet this is a young director who doesn't have as much empathy for, um, you know, diseases

[00:14:08] associated with the elderly and that's kind of hitting below the belt there for especially someone like me who might be on that path pretty soon before, before I know it. But, um, so yeah, I was sort of iffy about that. But then what made me sort of come around on their treatment of the grandma was the scene where she was under the sheet and sat straight up and then started speaking to her daughter

[00:14:34] like she was normal again and not, didn't have any dementia. And that just got right at her daughter's heart. Turn around. What did you call me? Like, that's what I mean about the dead eye. It's king and not only on just like mocking things, but playing into what we wish were true. And so then suddenly I just thought the whole grandma with Alzheimer's was brilliant, you know? Yeah. Because she doesn't, she doesn't have that awareness at first.

[00:15:03] And as soon as she becomes a dead eye, then it comes out. I mean, yeah, that's actually super sad and tragic. Like, what do you think about it? It is. But it's a horror movie, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. It's supposed to be not nice. Yeah. It definitely wasn't nice at times. I'm trying to recall if I laughed out loud at any point. I don't think I did. No. But I do remember smiling, I think, at grandma when she kept accusing Joseph's girlfriend of being a thief.

[00:15:32] There was some pretty good timing in when she would say that. I thought that was enough to crack a smile. But I think most of the time I was just reeling from the horror. Yeah. I watched this. Missing some of the humorous undertone, you know? I mean, I definitely didn't laugh out loud at this one, but I for sure watched a lot of it through squinted eyes at times. Right. Because I was like, what am I about to see? I don't know. Oh, God. Yeah.

[00:15:55] And they did such a great job at doing a lot of foreshadowing by showing the knives and forks in the dishwasher or just the pen or the little medical scissors. Everything that was, every time you see something sharp, you're like, that's going in someone's eye or something. Or somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. They showed the weed whacker with a saw blade on it like five times just leaning up against the fireplace. You're like, all right, well, that's going to get used.

[00:16:25] Now, did someone stick that on there during the movie? I feel like I missed that if that happened. I think, well, dad was messing around with it in the shed, so maybe he just brought it in the house at some point. Yeah. He was in the shed trying to start it. And then Joseph goes out and tries to talk to his dad, tells him it's out of gas, and then realizes something is wrong here. So he takes it in the house. That's how it got in the house. Yeah. Yeah. But why was the saw on it? Oh, that's a good one. Because it's an awesome weapon? I don't know.

[00:16:54] I mean, it reminded me, I mean, I don't know. I felt like this was a very Evil Dead-y movie to me. And there were little things like quick camera cuts. Like, even in the lake scene at the beginning, like when he was fueling up the boat, you go like that. And then when Alice, who turned out to be the badass of this movie, went in to get that saw, and there were some quick cuts there.

[00:17:18] And it reminded me of Ash when he's building his chainsaw arm or whatever. So I thought, wait, did she slap that together? Because if she did, I didn't see it. And you'd think somebody would have done that because of the Deadites. Otherwise, why would he have a saw strapped to a weed whacker? You know? Maybe they got some big woody plants they were going to chop down or something. Right, right, right, right. Yeah. I don't know. It looked brutal.

[00:17:47] And it was. Well, let me go into my first point, because I think it sort of plays in on some of the things that we've been talking about, which is that Ash is not in this movie. And I think the Evil Dead series is great for kind of two big reasons. I mean, there's a ton of reasons why it's great. But it's the premise of reading from this evil book that releases demons that possess

[00:18:14] your loved ones, and then they turn against you in these nasty, vicious, and sometimes funny ways. Although I would agree they weren't that funny. I mean, it was kind of funny how wrong it was. Oh my God, that was so wrong what you just said. But I feel like it's almost a twist on the whole zombie thing, because one of the things I love about zombies is it's dark, but it's like someone that you just trusted and maybe even cared for is now trying to kill you. It's a monster.

[00:18:41] But instead of mindless cannibals, the Deadites are these nasty, sadistic, supernatural, ugly motherfuckers. And so with that premise, each Evil Dead movie can go into a new setting and see how the Deadites impact it. But then, of course, the other pillar of what makes Evil Dead great is the former lead character Ashley Joanna Williams, aka Ash, played by Bruce Campbell.

[00:19:09] And he, I mean, probably everyone who's hearing me know this, but he was just somehow simultaneously this ridiculous idiot that we sort of scoffed at and a total badass that we totally admired. Yep. And where do you, you can't, I mean, it's so sad that Bruce Campbell's aged out. He doesn't want to do it anymore. He's like, what, 68 years old or something? Something, yeah.

[00:19:38] And he, and he, I don't even know if anyone else could play that role and. You can't recreate that. Yeah. So it's just over. And now, and now it's interesting to have an Evil Dead movie without Ash. The Deadites are really scary. But I thought multiple times in this movie, if Ash came in, it would be over. He would just burn these guys up and behead them. I know. I kept thinking that through this whole movie.

[00:20:08] It was so torturous. And so like, they were struggling so hard to, to just even damage these Deadites. And then I was like, you know, Ash could just come in here and blow them away or cut a couple pieces off instantaneously. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And, and that's kind of a, you might see it as a benefit because it's fun to be scared if you want a horror movie. This, like they really, the director knew, like if you watch Ash versus Evil Dead, it seemed

[00:20:36] very slapsticky and it's the Deadites, but they could handle them so well. I mean, you know, on an, on a real world level, it's just because they wanted that show to be more of a comedy and this is more of a horror, but that's sort of naturally what happens when you don't have Ash there. And so they really lean into the scariness of it. And I remember liking those scary bits in Ash versus Evil Dead. I think there were a lot of times in scenes where Ash wasn't there like that cop woman

[00:21:04] was, there was somebody crawling after her or whatever, like, so anyway, now without Ash, it becomes much more, much scarier because they don't know how to deal with it. He was uniquely positioned to bring, to bring the badassery and the, the goofiness in a way. Right. And that's what you lose when Bruce Campbell and Ash is, is not involved.

[00:21:28] Um, and I think I'd say for me, that's a pretty big loss because one of the notes I wrote down here is that it's not really just that this movie for me, I didn't think it was that funny, but it lacked the silliness. And I, I, I call Evil Dead silly in the best possible way. Like it's, it's gory, it's kind of horror, but there's also a slapstick comedy element to it, right? You've got that in the original Evil Dead movies. You got it in Army of Darkness.

[00:21:56] You got it in Ash versus Evil Dead. And the combination of all that stuff is what, um, made these movies and TV show kind of wacky and silly a little bit, which I loved about them. And I, I just felt like that was lacking in, in this one for the most part. And I think you're right, Jason. It's, I mean, Ash Williams is the character that brought that.

[00:22:21] And, uh, Bruce Campbell was maybe uniquely positioned to, to deliver that kind of character. I don't know. I mean, I, I, I'm not saying no one else could do it, but this one didn't have that silliness. And I, I had to sort of come to terms with that after I had watched it, to be honest. Yeah. Well, it helped for me to have seen the 2013 movie and Evil Dead rise. So I'm like, well, that's what Evil Dead is now. It's, I mean, maybe you're right.

[00:22:49] Maybe those had more humor, but I, I just think about, I just, this just occurred to me actually when, um, Rick Grimes left The Walking Dead. Yeah. And I thought, oh man, what if it sucks now? And then in my opinion, I mean, a lot of people thought it did suck, but I thought, oh wow. It opened up storyline possibilities for other characters that weren't there before. And so, you know, I want Ash back.

[00:23:14] I wish we could DH Bruce Campbell and have more Evil Dead movies, finish out the Evil Dead series, Ash was Evil Dead, but to try to sort of appreciate the positives of him not being there. It opens up a type of storytelling with these deadites that wouldn't be possible if he were just there to fucking waste them all. Yeah. That's, that's very true. That is very true. And I, I loved Evil Dead rise. Like I, you know, that one didn't really have him. And, and I loved that one a lot.

[00:23:43] So I, I don't think it's impossible to expand the Evil Dead universe a little bit, which this movie is doing, uh, without Ash. So the more I sit with it, and I know it's not even been 24 hours yet, but the more I sit with it, I'm sort of okay with it. And I know they can do some fun stuff and do different things with deadites and Evil Dead and so on. So it's, it's kind of cool.

[00:24:08] And, you know, I sort of look at Bruce Campbell and I'm, I'm kind of happy for him in a way. Like I know he, he's, I think he has cancer or something that he announced that publicly. So I hope he's doing okay. Yeah. But, um. Is it treatable but not curable? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, it doesn't sound great, but, um, you know, I, I, I feel like he is okay with passing the torch on Evil Dead a little bit. Uh, even before he had to face. He's a producer on all these. Yeah. Of course.

[00:24:38] He's still doing stuff. Right. But even before he had to face this illness, whatever it is, like, I feel like he was like, you know what? I did my thing. It was awesome. We had a great time. I'm, I don't mind moving on to something else or, or letting someone else take over the mantle of Evil Dead. So I sort of feel good for Bruce Campbell in, in that way. Um, and I guess you're right. It can open up different things in the new EDU. I don't blame anyone who's like, whatever, man, I just don't like it as much anymore. Well, there's that too.

[00:25:08] Yeah. Well, Rich, you haven't said much. What's on your mind? Do you think we'll ever see a funny Evil Dead moving forward? I wish they would do an animated series finishing off Ash vs. Evil Ted. That, that was discussed at one point as a possibility. Yeah. No, we can never say never about, uh, Ash. I mean, there is AI. Oh no. No, no, no. AI de-aged Bruce Campbell. Right.

[00:25:37] I mean, de-aging technology these days is remarkable, but do I want to see it? I don't know. I don't think it was really him. Yeah. Oh God. I mean, I guess right now AI just feels uncanny most of the time, right? It can be. Yeah. So if, if it gets good enough that it could actually be as good as the real thing, then would we want it? That's the interesting question. Right. And I'm like, I don't know.

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[00:27:53] Like, you know, I think it's because of what we said earlier, where they were possessing people that were already kind of evil in their own ways, you know, and abusive. But also, they had a purpose. And they were looking for the Kandarian dagger.

[00:28:39] And normally, they don't. Outright killing them here. And again, I think that's because they're also looking for that Kandarian dagger, which I'm not clear on to why they were looking for the dagger. Other than they know it can hurt them. I think that's it. That's it. They just wanted to get rid of the thing that could hurt them. At some point, they said, once we get rid of that, then we won't have to, I don't know, we won't have to, we can disguise the limit or something like that. Yeah, I suppose. See, I don't understand.

[00:29:07] Like, I've always thought of the Deadites as, oh, man, they really get on your skin. They go for the jugular verbally from the beginning. So, I don't understand. Well, I don't understand what you mean by why are they so mean? I mean, as you said, you're like, usually they just like poke and stab and rape. Maybe not the rape part. I don't know.

[00:29:35] But, yeah, well, I mean, I'm just referring to the older movies mostly. And then Ash would just blow them away like, you know, there are cartoon characters or a video game or something like that. But here, everyone was really hard to kill. It was torturous. It was painful. You know. It was weighty. It had a weight to it. Yeah, there was grit. And weight. And it was like, hmm, these aren't the Deadites of old. Yeah, I know what you're saying, Rich. There's something different about the Deadites in this movie.

[00:30:04] And I think maybe it's that they were more focused. Not in just the way that they get under your skin specifically, right? They know what's going to bug you. And they say something that's going to really, really poke at that. But they had a purpose in this one. I felt like they seemed a little more with it and, I don't know, smarter, for lack of a better word, than usual. Fast.

[00:30:32] They had more situational awareness, almost. Right? Because, you know, they weren't just there to attack you and say something mean and hilarious. Like, that was happening. Yeah. There was just something, there was another level to them in this movie. Yeah. Instead of saying something and cackling, they'd be like, like the dad pointed the gun at his son Joe. Yeah. And said, it should have been you. Yeah. Right?

[00:31:00] But then he's, he's also, he also kind of waits outside for a while. Like, you know, not just immediately attacking. And then he shoots himself in the head three times. But like, that's, that's like almost like a more psychological terror. It's like, you're going to have to watch me shoot myself three times. I know. You know? And so, that's a little different for deadites. And their insults were much more personal. It wasn't just, I'll swallow your soul. No, the deadites. You're a shitty person.

[00:31:28] They would say like, yo, you killed your girlfriend. Or, you know, they, they would get really personal sometimes throughout the movies. Not always, but often. So, you won't smash, you won't shoot your dad, but you'll smash your girlfriend's head. It's like, dang. Yeah. Truth hurts. But I, yes. Like, it probably also makes a difference that they're coming into a situation with this family

[00:31:58] who has a lot of fucked up dynamics. And they've just had someone die. So, there's a lot of open wounds that are more devastating to be picked out in this moment of, you know, tragedy for them. And I think that's what the director, what made him want to do the movie and probably how he sold it to them. Like, you know how the deadites poke at people?

[00:32:27] Well, let's give them this to come in and have, you know, fun with or whatever. And I, I thought it worked really well. Actually, you know what I just realized is, is a big difference here from the original Evil Dead movies. He's, at least the first two, you know, it's a whole bunch of deadites against Ash, basically, in those ones. And he's just trying to, like, defend himself from them and kill them and stuff like that. And he's especially good at it. And he does it in amazing, unique ways.

[00:32:56] This is more of just, like, a group of people. Yeah. And there isn't, like, one hero against the deadites. It kind of ends up that way, right, as you would expect. But, like, it's a whole family slowly turning into deadites and they have a purpose. So it's a little bit of a different dynamic. And maybe that's part of the reason it feels different. I mean, maybe the deadites are the same. It's just like, but in this case, they're not just coming after one dude, you know? I don't know. Somewhat.

[00:33:24] I mean, the last couple movies have been kind of like that, too. Yeah, I guess you're right. It's interesting how at the end of the last three movies, the Evil Dead reboot in 2013, which we don't know if you could call it a reboot anymore because it feels like all of this may be more or less in the same universe. Yep. Although I would say there's enough inconsistencies with Evil Dead.

[00:33:51] Even the first two movies, like, you get Evil Dead and then you get Evil Dead 2, which sort of summarizes the first movie in the first 10 minutes but leaves out all the friends that were with him. Yeah. You know? So I kind of love that because, and we're trying to reconcile, wait, why is the book called Natrium De Manto sometimes and then Necronomicon other times? Are there more than one book? There were three books in Army of Darkness, but it seemed like that was just a trick. But then later Sam Raimi said, no, there's actually multiple books, maybe.

[00:34:20] So I feel like there's some people who love to try to make sense of everything and make it all fit together. But I think it's just nonsensical or not connective enough that maybe it encourages people to go, you know what? Let me just enjoy what movie we're on right now. Yeah. And hope that it makes sense within itself, which is where I tend to go with this kind of thing anyway, you know?

[00:34:44] Yeah, I think that's a really good approach to Evil Dead movies, just sort of go with it and don't think too hard about it. I just thought therefore maybe there was a little bit of a different dynamic, but you're right. The last movie was kind of like that too. But then they seem to be trying to tie them together because they had, this movie did continue on from the last movie. Right, yeah.

[00:35:07] People don't remember the last movie, Evil Dead Rise, started at this lake with this girl, Jessica, like beheading one person and scalping another or something like that. And then the whole movie took place the day before with a whole different group of people in this high rise building. But then at the end it showed this girl in the parking garage being possessed by the demon and then going off on her vacation.

[00:35:38] And so then we saw her at the lake at the beginning of this movie boiling this guy a lot. In the lake, I know. That was so fucked up, man. And then he manages to crawl out and just sort of dies on the shore and she just steps on him as she walks past. Like that was awesome. And he was like super tender. Right. Skin came off. Just gross. See how we're all smiling, laughing? It's hilarious. Well, I'll tell you honestly. I've never seen that before. I gotta give him that.

[00:36:07] When I talk about Evil Dead movies, and this was throughout our entire podcast about Ash vs. Evil Dead, I swear, all I want to do is like, hey guys, did you see this scene? Oh my God, did you see that scene? I just want to talk about this scene. And this one had that. That's why, I don't know, man. I could just be sick, but I don't like torture porn movies. But for some reason in this movie, like I said before, I just pictured the cast going, oh, guess what crazy way we're going to come up with to fuck with somebody now.

[00:36:35] And that reminds me, I forgot, but I meant to do somewhere earlier where we each say what we thought was the most fucked up or the moment that made us cringe the most. So what was it for you guys? Oh, the most cringe. Maybe it was when the construction workers were super noisy during the usually. That was pretty fucked up. Oh man, that was messed up, man. How dare they? There's a lot to choose from in this movie, by the way.

[00:37:04] Yeah, and like most disturbing and the one that made me cringe the most might not even be the same scene, but I really didn't like the pen in the ear. That made me, oh my God, that's the worst. And the way that it was really slow. Yeah. And the sound effect was great because you could almost feel it pressing against the eardrum and then puncturing. And then you hear that. That tone. You hear tinnitus. The sound design was amazing and I wanted to say that, right?

[00:37:34] Throughout the whole movie, but in that scene in particular. And then she tries to pull it out and it breaks off instead. Oh, I know. And I'm like, yeah, I know. And I'm like, oh my God, any other movie she'd just pull it out and it'd be gross and a little bit of blood would spur it out or something. But this one breaks off in her ear. Oh man. It's so great that that's the pen that the asshole brother gave to his brother just to remind him of his inadequacies, that he hasn't finished his book yet, right?

[00:38:01] Right from the beginning you're getting like, God, these guys are so horrible to each other. And then this pen ends up sticking, poking his wife in the ear. That was mine. That was the one that got me the most. But even though this wasn't brutal, it really got me when did I? I don't know how you pronounce Joe's girlfriend's name. Thaya? It's T-H-Y-A. Yeah, I think Thaya.

[00:38:31] Thaya. We'll say that. Anyway, she took grandma's dentures out, stuck it in her mouth. And then stuck it back in her mouth. So gross. That'll fix you? Just so gross and drooly and like, oh. Right. Yeah. Yeah, mine's akin to that one a little bit. The pen thing I thought of, but this one is one that probably made me cringe the most.

[00:38:57] And that was when Edgar, the dad, took Joseph and forced his face into the smashed face of his girlfriend on the floor. And like, just like rolled him around in it. And it was like the brain matter and stuff. And I was like, oh, God, come on. Do you know what he said? No. What do you say? He goes, finally, you did something to make me proud. Oh, God. Because he's the one that had bashed her head in. That is awful. I mean, that was almost as gross as when he was eating the potatoes or whatever at the dinner scene.

[00:39:27] That's hilarious, guys. Come on. Yeah, that one got me. Oh, yeah. And then the other one that is really fucked up is, I mean, the whole dinner scene where the dad already tightly wound. But another interesting thing about this that I feel like maybe doesn't go along with other Evil Dead movies is the possession seems to come on gradually. Right. Like the dad, it took him a while.

[00:39:55] You could tell that he was different, but he was still kind of himself. And the mom, too. Like she'd kind of go back and forth between herself and full dead. Usually in Evil Dead movies, they're just normal. And then, rah! But anyway, at the dinner, he was already kind of tightly wound, but then he's like grabbing at that damn corkscrew. Like he keeps – I love how he kept grabbing at sharp objects, you know? Because you already are afraid of him and he's trying to get the corkscrew.

[00:40:21] Someone takes it away from him and he's like trying to grab that little scissors. And I just think it's funny. I couldn't help but laugh. But then he tells – or he starts drooling at the mouth. And he's like getting mad that the daughter-in-law is saying she's not going to continue on with the restaurant. It's super tense. He's like, we should talk about it right now. And then he starts drooling at the mouth and saying inappropriate things.

[00:40:50] And then I think the wife is saying, you know, our son is looking down from above. And he's like – he's looking up from below. And then he stabs the dog in the head with a fork a bunch of times. And that was really fucked up. And, you know, I know a lot of people, they hate to see animal cruelty even worse than humans. That was my first thought was that. So he was probably going to piss more people off than anything else. I think so, too. And I don't like it either. But I think it was really cool to then have this sort of dead-eyed dog guarding the place and not letting them out after that.

[00:41:20] So that made it worth it to have it in the movie for me. I guess. I'm all for dead-eyed dog. But I'm one of those people that doesn't like seeing – I mean, and you didn't even see it really. But I don't like when the dog dies. To get to that point. I don't blame you. Pretty cringy. Yeah. I was like, holy shit. Yeah. And that was like – after that, you'd think that everybody would just be like, okay, I'm out. I'm leaving. I'm running a straight line as far away from here as I can get. Yeah.

[00:41:50] There was a few moments in the movie like that, I thought, for me, when I thought, okay, these characters, what are they doing? Like when – after the car scene, which I want to talk about, but when she comes back to the door and knocks on the door and says, oh, it's me, let me in. And then they open the door and she's standing there with the headrest through her neck still and is clearly not in great shape. They're all just like, well, come on in, sort of.

[00:42:14] I mean, you know, I know they were a little freaked out, but I'm like, okay, you people should be running for your lives. Like, what are you doing in this house anymore? We're just staring. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh man. What are we supposed to do? But I love that, like I said, the dad keeps grabbing for sharp things. Yeah. And then he stabbed her in the car with the little tiny medical, like, gauze cutting scissors, I think, right? Yeah.

[00:42:42] And then he pulls the seat back out with the two prongs. Yep. Of course. Of course. Yeah. As soon as he did that, I was like, oh shit. And then Joseph just bails on her. Like, literally just jumps out of the car and starts running away. Like, bro. That was his thing that he was like a coward because then later on, I think somebody's attacking her. I think it's the dead-eye girlfriend is attacking Alice. Yeah.

[00:43:12] And Joe's just standing there and he can't, he's paralyzed. He freezes, right? Yeah. Yeah. Then he goes into the kitchen and grabs one of those, like, electronic turkey cutting knives. Yeah, right. Yeah. And she comes in, oh, you're brave now. And then she goes, boo, and he falls back onto the forks and knives. But also the electronic turkey cutting knife is probably the dumbest, lamest weapon there is.

[00:43:40] I mean, sure, it would hurt a person, but I don't think it's going to do anything against the dead-eye. No. Yeah. You'd have to be like, okay, stand perfectly still while I carve you up, please. And if you lose a couple of fingers, uh-oh, they don't care. There was also Alice with the razor blade, like, shaving off bits of the mom, right, I think. Yeah. Oh, in the bathroom? In the bathroom fight, which was also a really good fight.

[00:44:07] But I didn't feel like I had that as good a look at that as, well, it reminded me of the cheese grater scene. In the last movie, right? Yeah, right. But I feel like the cheese grater really got to me in Evil Dead Rise. The razor blade in this movie, I was like, ah, you know, that's gross. But they sort of cut past it really quick, I thought. Okay, so a quick question. What, uh, the dad, right? He's standing out. I think Chris mentioned this earlier. He's just standing out in the front yard.

[00:44:37] Like, just standing there. Psychologically, it's freaking everyone out. But then he takes a gun and he blasts three holes in his head. Yep. Why? Did I miss something? Well, I think he was- Was he just trying to be scary? I think, yeah, he was just trying to be scary. I think he was doing that because they were standing on the porch watching and he's like, look what I can do, you know? Yeah. Yeah, but then it didn't even kill him either. I thought that's how you killed a deadite. I guess you just have to, like, behead him completely, huh?

[00:45:05] Yeah, you need a shotgun. Blow the whole brain apart. Right. But then when he, when the mother, the grandma seemed lucid and it brought the mother around, and I think it would sort of make sense to bring, for that to bring the mother around Susan, because her whole thing is you're nothing without family.

[00:45:30] And there's a theme of, like, how much toxicity do you accept in your life? And when do you decide to walk away? And she just could see no wrong in the men in her life, her, both of her sons. You know, one of the deadites said, you're coddling the boy about Joe. And she just had nice things to say about her older son, even though later Alice said, you knew he was abusing me the whole time.

[00:45:59] And anyway, so in that scene, like, the father, he just seems like, you can tell that he's so tightly wound. And then he shows up at the window looking like hell with just half his face blown off and bloody. And then she opens the window for him and they start making out.

[00:46:21] And it fit with her character because she just accepts whatever she has to in order to stay a family unit. And then, but I loved it because it seemed like she was turned on by his passion, even though it was disgusting. You haven't kissed me like that in years. Yeah. It was kind of fascinating to watch because I think she's... She wasn't turned yet either, right? So this was her. That was the moment, I think.

[00:46:49] I do, like I said, there's a gradual possession. So it felt like she might've been part, there might've been some supernatural stuff going on there. To be a little more accepting. I think that's the moment it sort of passed into her, right? And honestly, I think, you know, I was on the Evil Dead wiki site for this movie, just reading through the summary and so on to make sure I hadn't missed anything.

[00:47:16] And that summary uses the word possession sometimes and infection sometimes. And I wish they would be more consistent, to be honest, because I think of it as more a possession. But you're right. There's like touching going on here. Right. Like I think the son who came out of the coffin touched the dad. Touched. That's right. That's how he got it. That was one of my points, actually, how I feel like in this movie we got by far,

[00:47:41] for the first time in any Evil Dead thing, more about how it gets from one person to another. Right. In different ways. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's right. In the funeral home, he busts out of the coffin and he just touches his dad. You don't even see him, right? Then he kills the cremating guy. That was great, by the way, when he heard the knock. Yeah. Yeah. And he opens the door. And he starts bashing with a crowbar or whatever. That was pretty tense. So there's the touch, there's the denture thing.

[00:48:08] So that's like bodily fluids kind of, you know, and the kiss, which is kind of the same. You're right. Yeah. Right. So dentures was passing it on, huh? I didn't even think about that. The dentures is how Polly, the grandma got it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I was noting this down. I'm like, oh God, I hope this hasn't been a thing in Evil Dead and I've just never really noticed or thought about it before. But this movie definitely delved into possession going from one person to another. To another. Yeah.

[00:48:38] And I think that is different than what we've normally seen. Usually if the demons are around, they can just possess whoever they want. Right. And sometimes it doesn't make sense why they don't possess some people and not others. Yeah. Yeah. But then on the other hand, like, you know, there's blood and gore flying around all the time. People have it all over themselves and sometimes they aren't possessed. So, you know. Bodily fluids are a very effective way to transmit anything. Yeah. That's true.

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[00:49:40] What else? Well, I really like the car scene, guys, as they're trying to drive away and they have that fight in the car. And I thought it was so well done because sometimes when you get a fight inside of a car, like it's happened in other movies before, it's a cramped space. And so like, what can you really do in there? I have seen other car fight scenes that are really good, but I think this movie uses a lot

[00:50:08] of real camera stuff and practical effects and so on. And I think, I'm pretty sure they just got in a car with a camera or two and just continued moving around and managed to make it really work. And then the head rest through the neck and the cheek was amazing, but it was a fun scene. And I just thought it was done really well. And the way that he was like out cold and then all of a sudden he was sitting straight, the father. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's also very scary, of course.

[00:50:37] But like, you know, Deadpool has had fun fights in cars and so on, but that's almost the most ridiculous thing you've ever seen. Even more than this. Yeah. This was scary and good and was like, oh my God, crash that thing and get out of there. Which this movie, this movie was kind of claustrophobic in that way, huh? There's a lot of cramped space fighting, you know, single rooms, closets, bathrooms, the chimney. Yeah. The car. Yeah. Yeah. The best thing about the bathroom scene was how the camera kind of rotates around and

[00:51:06] then she's on the ceiling at one point. That was amazing. I read that, you know, a lot of times when they have a scene like that, they will make a rotating room. Yeah. So that it looks like someone's falling up the wall. But the director said, we didn't have enough money for that. So we just use wires and it looked really good. It looked good, but that's what I mean. Like they, they had to make do with what they had in a way and everything in the movie looked really cool.

[00:51:35] But, but I, I would say honestly, my favorite scene in the movie is the sort of long one shot. That's kind of two thirds of the way through. It's when the dad, Edgar is fighting his son, but the camera kind of stays on Alice. She's crawling around the floor, just trying to get out of the way. Stuff is in the trailer. Yeah. Stuff is happening in the background. Bodies are flying around.

[00:52:03] Furniture's crashing down and it sticks with her until she gets into that closet under the stairs or whatever it was. Was so cool. I, yeah, I watched that and I was like, oh, I hope there's more of that in this movie. I agree. And you got a full sense of the brutality of that fight too. Yeah. How hard they were. I don't know if those were stunt guys or what, but they were slamming each other hard. Totally. I was like, damn. Yeah. When that scene happened, that was the first time I could pull myself away from the constant

[00:52:31] cringe on my face to actually appreciate a scene. I was like, oh, this scene is really cool. It's fun. And it like the actor that you stay with, you know, in this case, Alice on the floor, like they have a hard job there too, because they have to like get through the scene and, and all you're watching is their reaction to it. Right. Or just trying to get away. And she did an amazing job. So, it's sort of like, um, guardians of the galaxy to the opening scene where you see

[00:53:00] little baby Groot doing some business and there's the guardians fighting this big giant monster in the background, but it's all blurry. The squid thing behind them. Yeah. Yeah. But this was better than that. I think it just felt more real to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. That was in the trailer. Yeah. I mean, there, there were a lot of artful, artfully done moments like that, you know, which I think is another thing that maybe people might not consciously appreciate, but

[00:53:28] really makes this movie a cut above in my opinion. And even in the car scene, like you were saying, you know, there was a lot of things that, that, uh, they just did that really well for being in a cramped space. And one part was the fighting just sort of broke out and then they just showed an overhead scene of the car going down the road and then off the road. Into a puddle or something like that. Yeah. Slowly. Yeah. I like that choice. Have you guys ever, there've been movies out there.

[00:53:55] There's a few, there's a handful of them where the whole movie is apparently one shot. I can't think of a name of one right now, but I know I've seen one or two. That one Russian, Russian arc. Oh, I don't know if you saw that. I don't think I even saw that, but there was another one I forget, but what, how about a, a full one shot evil dead movie? That might be fun. That could be cool. That'd be so hard, but it sort of reminds me. So one of my favorite recent directors of any kind, but he's only done horror is Zach

[00:54:25] Krager who did a barbarian and weapons and both really good, especially weapons. I love it. Barbarian too. And he's doing resident evil in September. And the way he's talked about that, both of those movies are, they jump around in time a little bit and they're kind of tricky, but he said, this is not like that. It's point A to point B. We have our character. Who's the sort of every man, uh, freaked out kid.

[00:54:55] It's raccoon city getting from one place to the next. And, uh, I don't think it's going to be a one shot, but I'm really excited to watch it. And people who have just seen resident evil, he's like, why are you excited about resident evil? Those movies suck. Well, this is like a whole, he hasn't even seen any of the other resident evil movies that his director said. There you go. Do whatever he wants. I, uh, I didn't really, yeah, the weapons was awesome, but I didn't realize he did barbarian too. I got to go back and watch that.

[00:55:23] I just watched a barbarian with Jason, but I haven't seen weapons. You got to. Yeah. Yeah. There's a couple on my list. I got to. Let's see. I had a list of impactful moments. See if there's something we haven't talked about yet. The, at the beginning, when you see them fishing, I was like, one of those hooks is going through some skin. Oh yeah. And then they all do. And they all did. It was like pinhead or something. Uh, gross.

[00:55:52] I thought like pulling it as eyelids and things like that, that did not make me feel very happy. No. Yeah. But it did remind me of one time when my stepdad, Jerry, we were out, he was drinking a bunch of beers. We were out at the lake and he hooked his ear. Oh my gosh. And then we just spent, you know, we had a few more hours of daylight. So he just hang out at the lake having fun and then goes to the hospital. And don't want to ruin your day. I mean. Yeah. That's right. Uh, what else?

[00:56:19] Um, when he bashed up that, his girlfriend's head into a pulp. Uh, we already talked about that. With, with the dishwasher door. I, is that what it was? Yeah. I think it was. I wasn't sure. I thought it was a fun, not even a callback, but just a good use of something that we saw in the movie already. His dad wasn't wrong either. When he said that about he wouldn't shoot his dad, but he more than happy to smash his girlfriend's head. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:56:49] I know. That's the thing. That's why I think another reason why, well, I would argue this is almost always true, but why the deadites are especially cruel is because there's at least some element of truth in everything they're saying. You just don't want to hear it. Truth hurts. In this case, a lot. Okay. Wait, let me, let me do another point. Cause I already, um, we already talked about all the great scenes, but connections to the lore. Oh, so, so the book of the dead is always a part of the evil dead.

[00:57:19] Cause that's, you read the passages and the demons come through and we've heard two names for it. Naturam de Manto, which was in the original evil dead movie and also the 2013 evil dead and Necronomicon or Necronomicon ex mortis. And at one point Sam Raimi suggested there were three books, but it's, it's inconsistent.

[00:57:45] And, um, I don't really, I'm not too worried about it. Right. Are you guys? Multiple books? Nah. Yeah. Or Sam Raimi said there was multiple books. That's good enough for me right there. Yeah. Let's get another book in there somewhere. There's multiple books. It's, it's always somebody sort of studying them and, you know, making audio recordings for some reason. Uh, you know, that's in a bunch of them now. Right.

[00:58:12] And like we said earlier, you don't want to overthink it too much. Right. Yeah. Regardless, if it's bound in human flesh, you should probably avoid it. Right. Well, probably. Yes. Yeah. And I mean, it was kind of, well, here's an interesting thing is, um, I mean, what's her name? Uh, Alice, she started reading the words. Yeah. That's right. Why would she, why would she do that? Do we, do we know? I don't know. She was just flipping through the notebook and just started reading them. That's what people do.

[00:58:42] And they read out loud. Yeah. Then the, the dog attacked her before she could finish. But before that, uh, dead eye Jessica in the car accident at the beginning read them. And then you get the, um, demon cam Sam Raimi special, you know, that was another element. Yeah. And it felt like she, a dead eye was summoning another demon to come and possess will. Yeah. That's kind of how I saw it.

[00:59:12] That was, we've never seen that before. As far as I can remember a dead eye reading the words to summon more of them. If they can do that, they should do it all the time. Yeah. Wait a minute. When she, when she walked to the road at the beginning and then stepped in front of Will's car, William's car, as he drove along. Are we to understand that she chose that car specifically, or is that just the first car that came by? I mean, they were looking for the dagger. Yeah.

[00:59:41] And she said, we found you. Yeah. Right. So she. Quite a coincidence. She stepped in front of that car because that family had the dagger in the attic. So she needed to sort of like kick things off. Right. Okay. It's pretty lucky that this club that he was driving away drunk from was right next to this lake. Well, yeah. That was part of the last movie. Yeah. Yeah. Hot vacation spot. Although it was kind of gloomy looking. Oh, it was very gloomy all the time. And so. And then snowing.

[01:00:11] Their grandpa, Benjamin Price, was an occult scholar and part of this group called the Circle of Wise Men, who I think is new to this movie. Yeah. Who researched supernatural threats and collected artifacts for use in protecting the world against demons and things. But it also said that the grandpa, other members of the Circle of Wise Men read from the book's passages despite his warnings.

[01:00:38] So they're supposed to be protecting people, but they're bringing demons in. And then I guess he placed a hex on this dagger so the demons couldn't detect it. But when Joseph unwrapped it or took it out of its resting place, that's what alerted them to its presence or something like that, I think. Oh, that reminds me. You know, we should talk or I should mention this. Another part I found somewhat humorous, but I still couldn't find myself to laugh, was when

[01:01:07] she was testing out the various daggers on Joseph himself. Yeah. She kept stabbing him with her tongue. Nope, that's not the right one. Not that one. Try this one. Stab him in the neck. Nope, not that one. Stab him on the face. Nope, not that one. And that's another. So as soon as they mentioned dagger, I thought, oh, Candarian dagger because I'm an evil dead nerd. And we've seen that pop up a lot over the series and everything. And it's in every movie. But the thing is, it looks different in all the movies and kind of has different powers.

[01:01:37] Like usually it absorbs the souls possessed by the deadites when you stab them, but it can open rifts in space and time and stuff. And I know that at least one of the ones that Alice tried on him looked like the one in one of the movies, Evil Dead 2. It's kind of like a triangular shape. Like a spine. Yeah. Sort of like a thing. But the one in evil in Ashford's Evil Dead had like a bone skull thing with just a regular metal blade. I think.

[01:02:06] And the first movie. So they've looked different in the movies to just another inconsistency. And anyway, it was weird because you thought, oh, I've seen that. I think they picked that shape because it was really distinctive. And plus Evil Dead 2 is maybe one of the more popular movies or maybe all the other ones were there too. I don't know. But anyway, it wasn't it. And I'm like, what the fuck? That is it. I've seen it before.

[01:02:32] But it kind of, in one sense, I liked it because it reminded me of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade where you're supposed to pick the Holy Grail and you, of course, don't pick the fancy cup. You pick the simple, rustic, meager one. And I like that it was just a little tiny thing with a little blade because it's not about the lethality of the blade. It's about the magic inside the dagger, you know? That's right. That was cool. It doesn't matter what it looks like. It just has to contain the magic.

[01:02:59] Maybe there's a Candarian dagger for each book. So maybe if there's three books, there's three daggers. Right. See, now you're thinking with gas rich. Look at that. There's an idea. Bread and rumors. Yeah. It's canon. Okay, now explain why Ash's friends disappeared from Evil Dead 2. Yeah, right. I don't know. I think there's a few more sort of overall Evil Dead lore things though, Jason. What's that?

[01:03:27] Well, I mean, I don't know if we didn't mention that this is more of an Easter egg than lore, but Bruce Campbell's picture's on the wall on the stairs. So he is in the movie in a photograph. What? Yeah. I noticed that, but I read about it. He's there. He's on the stairs. Oh, man. Yeah, I gotta see it again. Grandma's going up the stairs on the chair, I think, and passes by him. Yeah.

[01:03:49] And then in the construction pit at the end, when she's sort of having the final battle with the flaming skeleton of William, she starts pulling on some cables to get a weapon. And two things are coming towards her. One is a chainsaw and one is a jackhammer. Yep. She goes for the jackhammer. And I was like, oh, what a tease.

[01:04:17] She's like, we're all like, finally, we're going to get a good chainsaw kill. And then she goes for the jackhammer. Oh, come on. I was so stoked to see the jackhammer kill. Yeah. It was very cool. I must admit. After watching it, I'm like, oh, good choice on the jackhammer. But I mean, you can't look at a chainsaw and not think Evil Dead. Yeah. Thanks for that. I forgot about that. Yeah. I don't know if there's anything else, but those ones jumped out at me.

[01:04:44] It was directed and co-written by Sebastian Vanacek, who's a French filmmaker, best known for the 2023 horror movie Infested about an infestation of lethal spiders. And it says, IMDB says Evil Dead creator Sam Raimi selected Vanacek as director after being impressed with his work on Infested.

[01:05:13] Vanacek stated his intention with the film was to, quote, create a visceral sensory experience that punches the audience in the gut. I want people to feel physically drained when they leave the theater, like they've been through an emotional and intense journey. Thanks. Yeah. But so what they're doing, Rob Tappert and Sam Raimi and maybe Bruce Campbell, I'm not

[01:05:39] sure how involved he is, but those are like the three keepers of Evil Dead. And they're just looking for talented young filmmakers to do movies. That's what they did for Evil Dead Rise. And the 2013 one too, Fede Alvarez, that was, I think his second movie, or maybe it was his first, second. And this one, and the one that's coming in two years, Evil Dead Wrath, they're all done by people who did like one movie that caught their attention. Yeah.

[01:06:08] And then they said, now do an Evil Dead one. So that's kind of fun. Yeah. That's a good way to tackle it. Did you guys recognize any of the actors in this movie? Like, did you know them from anything else? I did not. No. No. The dad maybe looked like maybe I'd seen him in something, but I'm not sure. Yeah. I didn't know any of them. And just to further that point, like also sort of talented unknown actors, I think were a great choice for this movie too. All good. Right? Yeah. All good. Exactly. Yeah.

[01:06:38] They did really good. Yeah. I thought. And it was shot in New Zealand and many of them are Kiwi. So. Okay. Well. Very cool. I thought. And yeah, I don't, I mean, Bruce Campbell is very well known of course, but I, I don't think you want to put some really recognizable face in a movie like this. I mean, maybe it would work, but I think it benefited from the fact that I didn't know anybody and they were all amazing. Yeah. The next movie, Evil Dead Wrath looks like it has, oh, I haven't heard of anyone except Zach Guilford's in it.

[01:07:07] He was, um, Matt Saracen, Friday Night Lights and he was in some of those Flanagan movies, Midnight Mass. So it might work to put someone, uh, that's a bigger name in this movie, but you'd have to not like them in order for it to work unless he was the badass at the end. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you were going to go that route though, it would change the whole movie.

[01:07:35] I mean, also like the last three movies, there's a girl that's the badass at the end. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. They need to change that up. Mm. It's always been the girl. Yeah. Having the same ending every time. The final girl is what they call her, right? Yeah. Yeah. I guess so. Yeah. Uh, I rewatched Obsession last night, which is a great movie. Do you guys, either one of you see that? Not yet. No. Is that one of the young YouTuber guys? Yeah. Yeah.

[01:08:04] I'd already seen it and liked a lot, but rewatching it again last night after having seen Evil Dead Burn, I just appreciated Evil Dead Burn's artfulness and cinematography framing the, uh, I wish I knew more about how to talk about film, but the sort of filter or the saturation, the look of the film, you know? It's just dark. Very gray, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[01:08:32] It was all stylistically really good and more cinematic. I mean, Obsession is good, but it just didn't have the, I don't know, the rich quality of artfulness and filmmaking. Yeah. Yeah. This movie is following the formula for these Evil Dead movies with the camera work and the cinematography. I guess these act, these directors that Jason was talking about that are catching Raimi's eye all have something in common and that's their awesome camera and cinematography work, you know?

[01:09:02] Can't be beat. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. Yeah. I mean, so far, uh, Evil Dead is maybe the only big horror franchise that has all fresh ratings on Rotten Tomatoes. Oh yeah. You pick any other horror franchise, they have at least one or two stinkers and possibly many more. Well, we've got six movies and three seasons of a TV show and none of it has been bad. Yeah. That's amazing.

[01:09:31] Ash vs. Evil Dead has a 99%. Oh wow. Right. That's high. Whether you love him or hate him, there's one thing you can't deny. They're all entertaining as hell. Yeah. That's very true. That's what the movies, that's what going to the movies is all about. All right. What about the end? Anything in particular grab you guys about how it ended? Kind of reminded me of the Terminator. I know. It looked a bit too CG actually. You mean the fireman coming out of the house? Yeah. Yeah.

[01:10:00] Like half skeleton? Yeah. A little too CG. I liked that he was super hot, touching things and setting him on fire. That was cool. Well, yeah. Yeah. I think I can let it go though. Um, you know, it's definitely supernatural. Uh, and I, I enjoyed the final bits like in the construction site where she's trying to fight him off.

[01:10:25] And like, we already mentioned the jackhammer and, and then the way she kind of sees his original face after she stabbed him with the dagger and then crushes his head. But it's just the deadite head crushing. And we sort of fade back to that. I thought that was all pretty well done. Yeah. You know, I didn't have any issues with it. No. No. I think, you know, once you see the whole movie for me anyway, it felt like it was more her story than anyone else's. Yeah.

[01:10:53] And how she got involved with this guy who turned out to be an abuser and her whole family's kind of fucked and they still want her to be a part of it. And she's, she at the end says, fuck your family. Yeah. And saws through the father's face. And then she kills the, um, husband with the jackhammer and then the candarian dagger. And they kept saying to her, you know, like the grandma said at one point when she was pressing the saw blade into her face. Oh, stop.

[01:11:22] I'm just giving you what you want. You know, you, you liked it when we'll hurt you. Isn't that why you stayed? And then later Joe dead. I Joe said, you like pain anyway. That's why you let her will hurt you. Isn't it? And I mean, I think on one level that sounds like victim blaming, but I think maybe the idea was there was some truth in it that she did have sort of this, um,

[01:11:44] you know, pathological or I don't know if that's the right word, but sort of unhealthy addiction to maybe she didn't love herself. And so she gravitated towards situations where people treated her badly, something like that. But I feel like the movie ultimately was just her cutting that. Like now I feel like her life's not going to be like that anymore. You know? Yeah. That actually makes a lot more sense than, than maybe, you know, with the situation being that she was just,

[01:12:14] hoping things would get better, kind of, you know, waiting it out. Yeah. And things like that. But in this case, she stuck around for a long time before she kind of let loose and started cutting people up. Yeah. She needed to, well, it looked like she was ready to leave after he was a total asshole in the club, but who knows? Maybe she would have come back to him the next day or something.

[01:12:38] But now she's stabbed him with the Kandarian dagger and pulled his face apart with her own hands. That's right. So I think that's pretty definitive. Pretty therapeutic, yeah. Yeah. Okay. But the very, very end of the movie when the police have come and she's sitting in the back of the ambulance and she asked for the cigarette. And then the final shot is kind of zooming in on her eyes and I'm not wrong. They looked like they were not quite human anymore, right?

[01:13:08] One of them looked like she was turning, huh? Yeah. You know, yeah. I was wondering if that's where they were going with it and probably was meant to be ambiguous, but I watched it twice. And there was another point in the movie not too far before that where it showed a close up on her face and her eye was already red like that. And I think it was just because she was in fighting with blood splattering everywhere. Or she was also beat up a lot. But I don't know. Yeah.

[01:13:34] To me, it looked like they turned a little yellowy and the pupil had changed a bit. So I thought, oh, she's got it. And this story isn't quite over yet. But for now, anyway. I also, this might be a stretch, but I wonder if they were deliberately sort of, okay, one of the themes of this movie is this young woman who may have this sort of unhealthy, unhealthily being drawn to situations where she's put in pain.

[01:14:02] And cigarettes are sort of like that. You know, a cigarette is a masochistic thing to do because you're damaging yourself. Cancer stick. And horror movies are kind of like that. We're subjecting ourselves to some disturbing shit. So we're all kind of like that a little bit. Yeah. Cigarettes are horror movies. They're the same thing. Shall we go on to notes? I only really have one, to be honest, at this point. Right.

[01:14:33] One more, one more thing that I could have maybe chosen as my most brutal scene is honestly the corkscrew to the neck. Mm-hmm. Um, and it's not the way the corkscrew goes in, but it's the way that she takes it out and just sort of drags it across her neck. So the maximize the blood and then leans right down over him, over the dishwasher and just like bleeds all over his face and like. Starts licking his nose. It starts, exactly.

[01:15:00] It was so nasty, but, uh, awesome at the same time. So, yeah, there was a lot of that in this movie, but the corkscrew was a good one. Hmm. Yeah. What could they do to make it worse? Maybe pull out an organ, like a cork. Yeah. I, I, I still don't know if anything in this movie shocked me as much as that mortuary scene in Ash vs. Evil Dead. Oh, man. Yeah. I think I know what you're talking about.

[01:15:32] You know what? This movie was very face-centric, wasn't it? Like, there's so much stuff going on in people's faces. It wasn't as much full body. There was like a lot of close-up stuff. The last couple of days have been like that for me. Earlier today, I had to watch, I watched an episode of Walking Dead for the, my normal podcast. And there was a scene where Daryl grabs a zombie head by the eyeballs and squishes his fingers into the eyeballs and then uses it to hit another guy.

[01:15:59] So, it's all about the eyes and the face and the ears and everything these days for me. I wonder why that, yeah, maybe just because all the emotions in the face, so they focused in on that. Yeah. A lot of, yeah. I mean, there was some, a lot of full body action too, but just as much, if not more. Close-ups on the face. Let's, let's see how we're going to disfigure this one. Yep. All right, you got any notes, Rich? Nope. I, looks like I, we, we got them all out. Okay. I just had a few.

[01:16:29] One, uh, it's called Evil Dead Burn and there's a lot of fire in it. Uh-huh. There's the guy being boiled alive. I don't know if that was considered fire, but he's being burned. Oh, yeah. Um, there, Will gets burned alive in his car. Um, one of the, the club they say is hot as an oven. Alice is always smoking cigarettes. Uh, Will is going to be cremated at the funeral.

[01:16:57] There's the cremation, whatever, oven or whatever it is right there. Uh, we see flashbacks of Will abusing Alice by burning her with a stove. It looked like. Hot water. Yeah. That's the scar on her, her body. Yeah. It's got hot water. Yeah. Uh, when Thaya was a dead eye and they, oh yeah, they threw her down in the basement. That was another nod to Evil Dead. Got to have a good basement thing. And she started heating up the boiler down there. I thought that was kind of cool.

[01:17:26] She also drinks the hot, the hot candle wax too. The wax. Right. Yeah. How about that scene? Ooh. Yep. Ouch. Yeah. That was another foreshadowing that we didn't realize was foreshadowing. Just when you saw that candelabra. Candelabra. Um, and then of course the whole house is burned down at the end. So there's a lot of burning. Makes sense. Hey, wait, should we talk about the, uh, after scenes after credit scenes or? Yeah. Hope everyone stuck around to see.

[01:17:56] There's two. I wasn't, I was not in a very busy theater. Uh, but only me and two other people stuck around and probably the other like 25 in the theater all got up and left and missed both of them losers. Oh man. So one was the grandma. What happened? She was crawling along with no legs. Crawling along the side of a street. And some good Samaritan stops to try to help her.

[01:18:22] And, uh, she steals, you don't really see it, but she steals her legs. I think. Steals her legs for herself. Her legs will do just fine. That's great. And, uh, I think grandma was the only family member to make it out because as the house was burning, it was interesting, they showed shots of all their dismembered body parts all over the place. Right. Yeah. Grandma made it out and now she's got new young legs. And then there was, this was weird.

[01:18:50] Like there was a, what it was the mortuary with all the urns. And one of them is Ellie Bixler, who is the woman from evil dead rise. People might not remember. She's the mom. Yeah. And I had to look it up, but the last we saw of her was in the parking garage. She was a deadite and she merged with two other deadites to form this multi-limbed creature.

[01:19:16] And then two other characters, Beth and Cassie forced it into a wood chipper. Wood chipper. Yeah. Well, how, why is she in an urn? Right. Yeah. It doesn't really make sense. And I don't know. Why did they put that in there? Like it made it seem like she'll be back from the sequel, but the sequel is evil dead wrath, which is going to take place in 1972. Yeah. Before any evil dead movie.

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[01:20:11] I voted for this topping. Yeah. Just another perk of being a member. Come join us. Sam's club. Tomorrow morning is knocking. Stock your fridge now. How about a creamy mocha frappuccino drink or a sweet vanilla, smooth caramel, maybe or white chocolate mocha, whichever you choose. Delicious coffee awaits. Find Starbucks frappuccino drinks wherever you buy your groceries. Yeah, I guess so. I had the same questions. And part of me is just like, meh, whatever.

[01:20:39] I mean, maybe they're just going to tell more stories and this is the way it works. And even though she went through a wood chipper, the, I don't know, the possession can just kind of do whatever it wants and bring her back or something like that. Um, I don't know, but I also discovered that this post credit scene is a little controversial because it was not filmed by the director of this movie. It was shot.

[01:21:06] It was the studio going, we want to do this. And they shot it independently of him and tacked it on at the end of the movie. So I don't really think of it as part of, um, this guy's story. And it feels like the studio is just trying as hard as they can to create an evil dead universe and tie this all together. And that kind of is a bummer that they sort of take control away from him like that. Will it be fun? Who knows? I don't know what they're going to do.

[01:21:37] Maybe this will have nothing to do with evil dead wrath. Maybe it'll be eight years from now before something comes along that, that pays this off. But I don't know. It kind of bummed me out that, that it wasn't part of his vision, the director's vision. Me too. Now that I hear that, I like it less because I already was sort of like, this didn't seem like it went with this movie and it doesn't seem like it goes with the next movie. So it feels like Mickey or something. Yeah. What is it? Yeah.

[01:22:05] So I, we would advise you to stay for the first post-credit scene and then leave. Yeah. Like if, if it didn't involve that character, Ellie, I would have no problem with it. Like it was just kind of a little coda at the end of, of going back to this location from this movie and then seeing something and God, they killed the little girl. Like that was pretty brutal. Um, right. You know, and, and if it was just something new, like then you question, what is it?

[01:22:34] Maybe it will factor into the new film or maybe there's going to be other evil dead movies that we can all look forward to. That'll play off of this, but they tied it so tightly together with that character that they've either got a plan and it's, and they're going to do something or, you know, it's maybe they don't have a plan and it's never going to pay off. It feels like a JJ Abrams bullshit where they give, um, they give C3PO a red arm and,

[01:23:03] or they say, how did the lightsaber come back? Oh, that's a story for another. Don't know. Yeah. We'll figure it out later. Just put it in there because people will go, oh my God, it's her. Yeah. They, they might be like gauging the response to it too, to see if they want to do something with her. Here's our response. Yeah. Weird. Wrath. I mean, evil scenario. It's weird. What could be in the, what's a wrath? Maybe they're bringing back all the bosses from the previous evil dead movies. That's going to be the wrath. Okay. Yeah.

[01:23:33] I don't know. I don't know. I don't know anything about the next movie. We're going to do news section and I'll, I'll say what I know, but it isn't much. But first, my only other notes, I just had a list of just some questions I had after watching this one. Why don't they try calling the police? The same reason they don't just run away. I mean, yeah. I mean, I really think the father and the dog functioned as this is what's keeping them in there.

[01:24:02] Cause he was standing outside when they, they were going to run away and then he was standing there. So they, then they went in and started boarding the places up. And then when he goes upstairs and starts making out with the mom, they're like, oh, he's not gone. Let's run away. And then the dog is there suddenly. So that's true. They did have an answer for that. At least. I suppose. Were there any cell phones in the whole movie? I don't remember. No, but at the end she grabs a walkie talkie from the construction site and tries to get somebody on it. But then she just hears the music from her wedding again.

[01:24:31] So I feel like that was the evil fucking with her a little bit. Yeah. They wouldn't be able to call the cops even if they tried. Yeah. Well, they didn't need cell phones cause they were all together in one place. But if there were no, if it was before cell phones, then they would have a landline. Yeah. And if it was after cell phones and somebody would have a fucking cell phone cause there's like 10 people in there. Yeah. Of course. Man, it's a family matter. We got to take care of it within the family. Within the family. This would be too embarrassing if this got outsiders right.

[01:25:01] No, no. I guess the police show up at the end just because there's a giant fire. They saw the fire and were like, maybe we should check that out. It's a bit late. Yeah. A bit late. Uh, what else do you guys also think that as a deadite Thaya looked like Lisa Bonet? Well, now I do. Yeah. That's a good connection. That's what I, that's what I was like. Oh, Lisa Bonet. Huh.

[01:25:28] Uh, and then last question is, wouldn't some people at least wonder if Alice was a psycho murderer at the end? And she killed everybody? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, first responders. Yeah. Well, she, yeah. She hacked them all up and burned their house down. See, I have a feeling those paramedics and police officers and firefighters that came to help are all about to be killed by her because she's now a dead. She turns. Yeah.

[01:25:58] Moot point then. Evil dead wrath. Evil dead wrath. The whole thing takes place on that road. Yeah. All right. The whole entire thing takes place inside an ambulance. Yeah. One shot. There you go. It'll satisfy all my desires. That's right. Oh man.

[01:27:02] Okay. Okay. Just a few things in the news. Um, Sam Raimi and long time evil dead producer, Rob Tapper, who I believe is Lucy Lawless's husband, by the way, are, uh, as I said, they're shepherd, shepherding all these evil dead movies and looking for great directors and writers and talent. And there's one line up evil dead wrath set to premiere. They already have a date April 7th, 2028. Whoa. Ooh. Mark it on the calendar boys for a podcast a couple of days later.

[01:27:32] Two years from now. Um, it's written and directed by Francis Gallupi who did 2023 thriller, the last stop in Yuma County. I don't really know what it's about. I actually didn't see anything about the plot of this. They have the cast and it was filmed already, um, this year. I think it ended filming in May. What wrath is filmed already? That's what I read. Holy shit. I wonder what's why it's taken two years to come out. Yeah. I thought originally it was scheduled for next year.

[01:28:01] Maybe they just want to leave some time in between for people to build up more of a want for that. Leave them wanting more and then they'll. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. But anyway, all we know about it, at least that I could find is that it takes place in 1972, which is pretty interesting because that makes it sort of a prequel to the evil dead, which took place in 1981. Yeah. So it's a, wait, would you just say it was a prequel?

[01:28:28] I mean, only, only in that it takes place before the evil dead 1972, you know, there's gotta be some reason why, but I think that's a cool idea. I want to revisit the seventies. Yep. An evil dead movie. Yeah. See what happened before Ash got involved. Yeah. Maybe we got some actual original characters, huh? Like the Nobies or somebody. Baby Ash. Baby Ash. Little Ash. Yeah. Little Ash.

[01:28:58] Next, Bruce Campbell. I don't know if you guys knew this, but in the animated series Invincible, which is a pretty great series, also gory as hell, Bruce Campbell played the voice of Satan. Oh, really? Yeah. Did not know. In a couple episodes in season three and four. And I was like, I recognize this voice. I got to look that up. And I was like, oh my God. I mean, he has a pretty recognizable voice for, for guys like us. Was he doing a voice or was it obviously Bruce?

[01:29:28] Bruce. I think he wasn't doing a voice as much as you would think somebody playing Satan would do a voice, which is a very Bruce Campbell thing to do. Totally. But I don't know for sure. I had to go back and listen again. I haven't heard it in a while. So next on March 2nd of this year, 2026, Bruce Campbell posted this sad news. We already mentioned it, but on X, he said, quote, hi folks. These days when someone is having a health issue, it's referred to as an opportunity. So let's go with that.

[01:29:57] I'm having one of those. It's also called a type of cancer that's treatable, not curable. I apologize if that's a shock. It was to me too. The good news is I'm not going to go into any more detail. I'm posting this because professionally, a few things will have to change appearances and cons and work in general need to take a backseat to treatment. My plan is to get as well as I possibly can over the summer so that I can tour with my new movie, Ernie and Emma this fall.

[01:30:25] There are several cons this summer that I have to cancel big regrets on my part. Treatment needs and professional obligations don't always go hand in hand. That's about it. I'm not trying to enlist sympathy or advice. I just want to get ahead of this information in case false information gets out, which it will. Fear not. I'm a tough old son of a bitch and I have a great support. So I expect to be around a while. As always, you're the greatest fans in the world and I hope to see you soon. Much love, Bruce Campbell.

[01:30:55] Facing it head on and going to fight. Yeah. Good for him. Yeah. That made me really sad when that came out. Yeah, totally. I mean, I don't know. I just, our best goes out to him and I hope it all works out for him. But yeah. Yeah. I hope they can treat it and manage it. It seems like the best he can hope for. Yeah. I hope so.

[01:31:21] The movie that he mentioned, Ernie and Emma, it seems like it's a passion project for him. He wrote, directed, and stars in it. And it's kind of something different for him. It looks like this little, like, quirky, independent movie. It's personal, character-driven. It looks like a comedy, but maybe has a heart. It looks like it's a passion. The premise says, the film follows Ernie Tyler, a widowed pear salesman who sets out on a journey

[01:31:51] to scatter his late wife Emma's ashes in locations she specified before her death. Along the way, Ernie reflects on their life together and confronts his grief, ultimately finding a renewed sense of purpose. Which sounds like maybe the last thing you'd expect him to write, but we watched the trailer and there's Bruce Campbell humor in it. It looked funny as hell. It did, yeah. I'm excited to watch it. I have to go check that out. I don't think I've seen that trailer, but yeah, I hope it's really good. And I expect it to be.

[01:32:20] I'll put a link in the show notes if people want to watch the trailer. I'll send it to you too, Chris. No release date yet, but you know what he said in his message that he's hoping to tour for the movie in the fall. So I presume that means. Tour, yeah. He may not have a distributor yet. It's like what he did with the Elvis movies he made. The Bubba Hotep? Yeah, Bubba Hotep. Love that one.

[01:32:57] All right, that is our show, episode 39. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Next episode, we'll probably be back in 2028 for Evil Dead Wrath. But maybe if Ernie and Emma is good, we might come on and talk a little bit about that. I don't know. We can do it. Yeah. Always up for a Bruce Campbell theme podcast. Yeah. There you go. It seems like that movie will pretty much be the opposite of this one. That's okay.

[01:33:26] It'll be calm and funny. But it'll be funny. That's good. And we'll complain about the lack of gore and beheadings and things like that. Right, exactly. If you want to write in or leave us a voice message about it, you can find all our contact information at podcastica.com. Yeah, and while you're there, please check out our other podcasts.

[01:33:48] If you're hearing this on Evil Dead Cast and you haven't heard anything else from us lately, I've done a shitload of podcasting since last we talked. And I have a show called Wax Episodic where we covered some pretty cool stuff like Alien Earth and Welcome to Dairy, Pluribus. What else? Severance. Feels like there's a fallout. Nice. A lot of cool stuff going on there.

[01:34:14] Plus, I have my Walking Dead podcast, Walking Dead Cast, where I'm like two and a half years into a full rewatch of that series. Plus, we do The Last of Us on there and occasional other stuff. And Chris, what about yourself? Yeah, we are, you know, still recording The Talking Dead. We're also doing a rewatch. We're just about to get to the midpoint of season five. It's been a lot of fun and we'll keep it going.

[01:34:42] We took a break last week because we hit episode number 750. So we collected questions from listeners and kind of didn't ask us anything, which is always fun. We just answer whatever they want to hear, Walking Dead related or not related. It's always fun to do. But tomorrow, we'll get back to the rewatch. And then Dead City season three is coming up. So we're going to cover that as well. Because New Walking Dead. That's right.

[01:35:09] It's so funny because we just in our rewatch got to the episode where Negan bashes Glenn's skull in. And now we're taking a break to watch the season where they become friends, apparently. Negan and Maggie. That's interesting timing. Yeah. That's funny. All right. That's our show. Thanks for listening. Kunda. Strata.

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